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Insane Hours? How to Ask for a Schedule Change

June 1st, 2009 @ 1:17 pm

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Dear Stanley,

I started a writing job at a recently launched news website about 3 months ago. I work with a decent group of people, my job is interesting but not too difficult, and the pay is above standard. I should be singing, right? There’s just one problem: the hours. I START my day at 5 a.m., which means my alarm clock is usually ringing by a quarter after 3. The good part is that I’m usually done by 1 p.m. and have the whole afternoon ahead of me. Which would be nice if most of those afternoons weren’t spent snoring and drooling on my pillow. I am constantly fatigued and not eating well. I feel like I’m out of phase with the rest of the world, like I’ve had jet lag since mid-January. People have been putting up with this kind of shift work for years, and with the economy the way it is, I’m happy to have a job at all. Should I just suck it up and resign myself to a few more years of zombie life, or am I justified in my self-indulgent whining?

Bob Zombie

Dear Bob,

Both, really. You are certainly justified in your self-indulgent whining. I couldn’t work those hours. At the same time, you will probably have to suck it up for a while. But a few more years? I don’t think so. This is sort of like getting a promotion or a raise. The same operational principles apply.

First, you have to let your supervisors know that you’re not a crazy person and that you really don’t like these hours. They won’t be surprised. Nobody wants to work your hours except maybe hosts of morning television shows, and I’m guessing they make a lot more money than you do. By “letting them know” I’m not talking about threats or the muttering of vague imprecations. I’m talking about a straight-up, no-BS chat with whoever you report to. “Just an FYI, Mort,” you might say. “I’m certainly happy here, and love the work and all that good stuff. But I do want you to know that if a day shift with more human hours comes along, I’d like to be considered for it.” That’s all.

After a while, do it again.

And then again, after another few months.

If a year goes by and you’re still in zombieland? Start looking for a new gig. You’re no longer the new guy who has to work the worst hours. You’re a schmuck willing to be exploited so others don’t have to suffer. There’s a difference.

In the meantime, there are ways to deal with the disruption to your circadean rhythms.  Here are a few tips:

  1. Don’t get up at 3:15 to be at the office at 5. Get up later, unless you live so far away that it takes you an hour to get to work. If that’s the case, move. Or pick a way you can get to work while you snooze, like a train.
  2. At the end of your business day — 1 p.m. — have a little bite to eat and then go home, take a shower, and allow yourself a 20 minute nap. No more. You’ll be a little screwed up for a while, but the fact is, a 20-minute nap is all a healthy person needs to keep going for the rest of the day.
  3. After your nap, get up and go outside. Do some things that are good for yourself. Run in the park or, if you live in the Bay Area, throw a Frisbee to a dog.
  4. Eat dinner at a reasonable hour, but by no means before 6 p.m. Go to bed at the same hour every night. Me, I would say 10 p.m. Do not drink too heavily, or you’ll wake up in the middle of the night still drunk and have to go to work. That’s a real bummer.
  5. Do everything you possibly can to see friends, hang with people. Don’t allow your screwy hours to cut you off from the rest of the human race.

When I was in high school, I had a friend named Frank Harrison (although that is not his real name). In his junior year, Frank worked out the Frank Harrison Sleep Plan. We were on split session then. Frank would go to school between 6:30 a.m. and noon. At noon, he would go home, have dinner, and go to sleep for the “night.” He would set his alarm and wake at approximately 9:00 p.m. and have breakfast. He would then do his homework when all the world was getting set to go to sleep. In the dead of night, about 2:00 , he would have lunch and then work some more. Then he would go to school and it would start all over again.

Frank got straight A’s that year. He also went completely insane. Nobody ever saw him. We missed him. But he was on the Frank Harrison Sleep Plan. He dropped it the next year. His grades were a little bit worse, but at least he was back on the planet.

In the end, it’s all about living your life. Work is a part of life. When it becomes all of it, or destroys the rest of your existence, something’s gotta give, eventually.

Stanley Bing is the bestselling author of Executricks, What Would Machiavelli Do?, Sun Tzu Was a Sissy, 100 Bullshit Jobs...And How to Get Them, and many other books. For more Bing wisdom read his monthly column in Fortune and visit stanleybing.com.



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    divyasangam

    06/02/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Insane Hours? How to Ask for a Schedule Change

    Bing, you're spot on with your "Don't sleep in the daytime" advise.

    I used to work a similar schedule, until I hinted (more like bludgeoned) my way into a normal day schedule.

    Thank Goodness.

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    TownsendA@...

    06/02/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Insane Hours? How to Ask for a Schedule Change

    If you don't ask or let the request hang out here for the boss to hear and chew on you'll never get anywhere. The more you ask or let him know you would like more regular hours the more he will hear or suggest alternatives - some of these can be drastic but then you would have nothing to lose anyway.

    Was this post filled by someone previously and if so try and find out why they left or how they got out of it.

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    R. B.

    06/03/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Insane Hours? How to Ask for a Schedule Change

    Those hours don't seem that horrible to me, so maybe I'm crazy!

    I am at work at 6:00 a.m. every day and usually get off around 3:30 p.m., which means I'm getting up at 4:15 every morning. I don't take a lunch. So not only do I work more hours than Bob Zombie, I don't have as much down time in the afternoon. To make it work, I make sure I'm in bed between 9:30 and 10:00 p.m. at night. Weekends are the exception, when I get to stay up and sleep in if I want to. I do look forward to weekends, but my work schedule is a day shift, albeit an early one, which is very common in manufacturing. My assistant takes the later shift (9:00 a.m. to 5:30 p.m.) to provide HR coverage for all shifts. If I tried to stay up every night until 11, 12, 1, then I would be a zombie too, but I plan my sleep schedule around my work hours, still get to spend time with friends and don't drool on my pillow. I am naturally a night owl, by the way, but I have adapted as needed and have done it for years.

    In my mind, the harder schedule to adapt to would be working a 2nd or 3rd shift (starting work in the late afternoon or late evening). While getting up early isn't natural or especially comfortable, it's not on the same difficulty level as having to sleep during the day and work during the afternoon or night. I guess I just don't understand what Bob Zombie's big gripe is. Is he not going to bed at a reasonable hour or does he have obligations outside of work that keep him from going to bed at a reasonable hour? His schedule simply isn't that far off a "normal" day shift in many industries, so it doesn't seem that grievous to me.

    The advice presented is good, both on how to cope and how to handle it with his employer. If he really can't adapt to the work schedule, he does need to ask in a professional way for a schedule change. We accommodate our employee's scheduling needs all the time, as long as business needs and job requirements are met. We have people who start at 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 a.m. and every time in between and it works just fine. Most businesses these days are open to flexing to help employees be more happy and productive.

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    perkodl

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    RE: Insane Hours? How to Ask for a Schedule Change

    I currently have a similar schedule. I awake when my uncaring alarm sounds at 4am (even the birds are still asleep) and I role into the office by 5:30am. This is due to a position where I liaison with the east coast. It is likely that, like me, it may be unreasonable for a change is shift due to daily deadlines for the news webpage.

    When I began my position a few years ago, the change in schedule did require a period of time for acclimation; about a year. I attribute this length of time on an uneven sleep schedule due to young children. Eventually, I was able to get to sleep between 9 and 10 and get up at 4am with no greater discomfort than the normal break from dream-land to start my day in reality. Now, as long as I get about 6 ? to 7 hours of rest, I seem to function adequately. Most people should be able to reset their internal clock eventually if they get to bed at a consistent time, eat correctly (and/or take supplements) so your body functions efficiently as stated by Mr. Bing. If this were not true, would we not all have to live tightly within the same time zone?

    If Bob Zombie is employing an adequate sleep schedule and not up late watching the tonight show, then it may be something physiological. I went through a period where I would become extremely fatigued at the end of the work day to the point where I was taking micro-naps whilst driving home. This was very dangerous and scared the heck out of me more than a few times. After enduring this for quite some time, I eventually mentioned this to my doctor during a routine physical. Turns out I had arthritis and, since treatment, I have not experienced this fatigue.

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    scribbler60

    06/03/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Insane Hours? How to Ask for a Schedule Change

    perkodl wrote: RE: ...Now, as long as I get about 6 to 7 hours of rest, I seem to function adequately.
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    Perkodl, you're probably short-changing yourself.

    From http://moneywatch.bnet.com/career-advice/article/sleep-well-and-prosper/275734/:
    Shortening your optimal sleep time (seven to eight hours for most adults) by as little as an hour dramatically cuts into cognitive performance.

    I worked for a short time with one of those fellows who insisted that he could get by on 4 to 5 hours of sleep a night. And I've never seen a more disorganized or chaotic personality.

    He, however, insisted that everything was fine with him and any problems with the business were not his fault.

    In short, he was so cognitively impaired due to lack of sleep that he couldn't see how much of a problem it was.

    (Last I heard he had declared bankruptcy for the second time and was in the process of divorcing his third wife... but none of the issues in his life were his fault, it was always due to outside influences.)

    Clearly, that's not the case with Perkodl, at least not to that extent. But it might be worth doing a little experiment to arrange your schedule so that you get an uninterrupted 8 hours per night for, say, a week, and see if you're more productive and feel better.

    Might be worth a try.

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    PAS36

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    RE: Insane Hours? How to Ask for a Schedule Change

    My husband gets up at 4:30 to get to work by 6:00am. He gets off work between 7:30 and 8:30pm, and is home between 8:30-900:pm. Worst of all, even working these hours, he cannot finish all the duties assigned to him. This has been going on for 8 months. He has repeatedly spoken up about the work load and hours. Management response? They acknowledge he can't possibly manage all the work and they need to hire an assistant, contract a maintenance company, etc., but they are not going to. Then they add more responsibilities.
    Obvious answer - Quit. He has been trying to find another job for 8 months with no luck.
    In the meantime - what's the best course of action? Put up with the abuse? Refuse to do some of the work? Just let things go undone until things fall apart? As a salaried exempt employee it's not illegal, but he's exausted.

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    vroseee

    06/04/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Insane Hours? How to Ask for a Schedule Change

    I completely agree with MM Fisher. I have actually changed my sleeping schedule from 4 or 6 hours a night to as much as 8 or 9 and what a difference it made. Looking back, I can probably say that I was in a state of depression. Couldn?t find reasons to get up in the morning, fought with friends and family, and was a very negative person all around. I, of course, didn?t think there was anything wrong with me until I actually slept the hours that my body required. I felt my mood lift after a few days of getting enough sleep and found that I?m way more productive at work and at home and don?t get the burned out feeling towards the end of the day. I began eating less, staying more active and having an overall healthier lifestyle. Anyone that claims they can go on less than 7 or 8 hours a day and feel fine should give it a try and see if they feel better after a few nights/weeks.

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    Stanley Bing

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    To Pas36

    Gee, I feel sorry for your husband. Me, I would scale back the work that I was doing very slowly, almost imperceptibly, and move toward more humane hours as well. They will NEVER find somebody to work the hours he is working. He should arrive at 6:00, as always, then leave at earlier hours progressively. First, start leaving at 7, then 6:30, then 6:00 PM. If asked why certain things are not done, he can say, "I am working a 12 hour day. That's all I can do." I can't really believe these idiots would fire a guy willing to work a 12 hour day. He has to set limits, or they're going to continue to exploit him. Have I mentioned that he should also ask for more money?

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    dhwicker@...

    06/04/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Insane Hours? How to Ask for a Schedule Change

    Youre not allowing your body to adapt, sleep when ever you can.

    Heres a schedule that over 10,000 people live by every day. I lived by it and worse for over 6 years. 6 hours on 12 hours off every day for 3 to 6 months then 12 hours on 12 hours off for 2 to 3 months. The key is diet and know your sleep deficit. Your body is geared to 8 to 9 hours of sleep per day. If youre not getting that youre going to have to make it up somewhere with an equalizer on a weekend 12 to 18 hours.

    When you do sleep your sleep must be perfect, no interruptions at all. No girlfriend, her cats, kids, phones, out side noises etc. If you can get a white noise generator or very stable fan (i used an old heavy duty computer fan that literally ran in my room and didnt vary in pitch for 10 years). Make the room as dark and as comfortable as possible. Smaller bedrooms are easier to contain that a large bed room. Your'e bed time is now 9 hours before you must get up with out fail. If you find your self up early adjust accordingly. Your last meal before sleep can go either of 2 ways. Eat a big meal, high in protein right before you go to sleep, it keeps you down. But makes you fat(Think turkey dinner). Or the other camp says eat a regular meal 3 or so hours before sleep. You can find what works best for you. When you get up you eat eggs, sausage, toast or similar combination of proteins and carbs. Drink all the coffee you want until quitting time, no more. During the day if you feel tired take a 15 minute astronaut nap. Go to your car if you have to.

    When you get home keep moving as much as possible until bed time, if youre overly tired - astronaut nap.

    You will adjust but you have to keep consistent.

    The harsh schedule above is maintained by the crews of the 74 attack and fleet ballistic missile submarines of the US Navy almost every day of the year.

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    jain.jinendra@...

    06/10/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Insane Hours? How to Ask for a Schedule Change

    I am a marine engineer and have worked all kind of shifts. When I was 2nd Assistant Engineer I used to work 0000 hrs to 0400 hrs in night and from 1200 hrs to 0600 hrs a total working time of 10 hours. As on the ship your workplace is just 15 meter vertical distance from where you live I did not waste any time commuting etc. That left me with roughly 14 hours a day for myself. I think one needs to sleep 6 hours a day and with proper eating habits it is not difficult to adopt to odd working hours. Your off time while others are working could be a boon for you. You may do so many things which otherwise you are not able to do. I spent my hours doing Yoga, meditation and lots of reading. The recessionary times do call for adopting to different/difficult environments.

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    Mightee_Mouse

    06/14/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Insane Hours? How to Ask for a Schedule Change

    Comment # 8 from Stanley is helpful. Our non-profit scaled back in anticipation of the bad economy. I was promoted, but my old position was not filled. I now do both. Previously, the work I do for them was professionally assessed as equal to the work of 4 FT staff.

    Then they didn't have funds to hire another full-timer they needed to do other work. They tried to get me to do it...when I said it was impossible, one of the senior execs implicitly threatened me: "You'll do whatever management tells you to do." Then he threatened to take away the part of my job that I love. Thus he forced me to put into writing all the reasons why I was confident I could handle all the work. And he took that to the board. So, I now do the work of 5 FT people.

    Oh, and I worked w/an outside consultant on strategy. He took credit for many of my ideas, and I was not paid for my work.

    I did get a raise and small compensation for the extra work. But when anything goes wrong, he comes to me with more work. This tiny outfit is staffed with incompetents. Another colleague and myself are overworked. Plus, in these dire times, the founder just put his mistress on the payroll, and is careful to make sure she doesn't get overloaded.

    The bottom line is the individual who forced me to take on more work, promised the world to the board, on a shoe-string budget, and is making me pay for it, rather than admit he was wrong. I'm stressed out, tired. I have a parent that is terminally ill who I can barely get time to see. I've put feelers out into the job market but I know it's tough out there.

    PS -other senior staff do not know how this one person effectively forced me into taking on what he even admits is a "presposterous" work load.

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