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Should I Suck Up to Stupid Clients?

February 13th, 2009 @ 6:00 am

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Categories: Career, Demotivation, Ethics, Success

Tags: Advertisement, Client, Advertising & Promotion, Marketing, Stanley Bing

Dear Stanley,

I work in an advertising agency. I don’t belong because I can’t figure out this one seemingly important thing: How do you give up your common sense and blindly do whatever the client tells you? I don’t want to do that, but everybody around me is quite adept at it. What are the secrets?

Too Much Integrity

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Dear Too Much,

Perhaps you should be in another field. Like one that doesn’t deal with customers very much. You sound grumpy, and I detect a bad attitude toward your clients. Maybe you should be a security analyst or professional wrestler. They don’t mind hurting other people’s feelings or body slamming innocent victims in order to make a living.

Let me describe to you what a proper customer-focused attitude is. First, you love the customer, no matter how smelly, stupid, or demented he, she, or they might be. They are your customer. You venerate them. You know that without them, there would be nothing left of you. You dream of new ways to please him, her, or them. Second, when there is a problem with your customer, you are not filled with resentment. You wrack your brains day and night to think of new ways to solve the problem. Finally, you search within yourself constantly to find pockets of anger, condescension, and negativity toward your beloved client. You root them out and replace them with respect and affection.

The way you feel about your client should not be all that different than the way you feel about your dog. And I mean that in the best possible way. Your dog may be good sometimes and bad at others, may make you proud one day and pee on the floor the next. You still love him, nurture him, feed and water him, and would never put him out in the cold. If he got lost you would scour the world to find him. That’s what you should feel about your customer, even when he’s as stupid, ailing, and outlandishly ill-behaved as my Cocker Spaniel.

In short, your question is coming from the wrong place. A better one would be, “How can I train my customer to be a better customer, the better to serve his or her advertising needs?” There are several answers to that one:

  1. Listen better. Your client may not know his armpit from a hole in the ground, but he does know his product and what vision he has for it. If you disagree with it, okay for you, but that doesn’t mean you don’t need to understand where he’s coming from. If I had an advertising agency and they didn’t listen to me, I’d fire them right away.
  2. Be patient. You’re going to need to cajole, persuade, influence, and guilt your clients into doing what you think is best for them. You’re not going to get there by hitting them over the head with a figurative newspaper.
  3. Consider the alternatives. Are you right? Are you sure? Or are you just a grouchy, self-promoting artiste in love with his own concepts?
  4. Act with love. Whatever you do — even if it’s quit in a huff because your genius is ignored — do it not for your own gratification but for the ideals that should be guiding your career no matter what field you’re in: honesty, creativity, and profit. Just because you can’t do what the client may want doesn’t mean either of you is wrong. You’re just not right for each other. In short, it’s the old break-up song that goes “It’s Not Me, It’s You.”

Meanwhile, you don’t seem to have a very good ‘tude about your colleagues, either. Hmm. Bad clients. Suck-up colleagues. Maybe the problem is with you, Sparky.

Stanley Bing is the bestselling author of Executricks, What Would Machiavelli Do?, Sun Tzu Was a Sissy, 100 Bullshit Jobs...And How to Get Them, and many other books. For more Bing wisdom read his monthly column in Fortune and visit stanleybing.com.



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    TheIlluminator

    02/17/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Should I Suck Up to Stupid Clients?

    Great response! I needed to hear it too!
    Sparky II

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    datadog

    02/17/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Should I Suck Up to Stupid Clients?

    I suck up to all clients unless they treat my employees with disrespect, yell at them for unjustified reasons or try to hijack my business and time. Then I either control them by charging them more or fire them. Sometimes you have to fire a client to get their attention that they are not acting as a partner, but rather a dictator. So, pour on the "Eddie Haskell" but to a point.

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    gaiagraphics

    02/17/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Should I Suck Up to Stupid Clients?

    Ditto datadog.

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    twanless@...

    02/17/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Should I Suck Up to Stupid Clients?

    I agree that most of the time you should give the client not only what he or she wants, but more importantly, what they need. And that can take some convincing. But if you ask the right questions, you'll get the right answer.
    Having said that, sometimes they're just bad apples who treat you like a servant or a hireling and place absolutely no value on what you bring to the project. If that's the case, fire them. They'll probably never come around anyway. If they do, great, then you've done both of you a service.

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    null

    02/17/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Should I Suck Up to Stupid Clients?

    Love it. And it's so true.

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    Ancient_One

    02/17/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Should I Suck Up to Stupid Clients?

    That is cute like the claim Sun Tzu was a sissy. Almost so trite as "The One Minute Manager".
    When you continue reinforcing the immaturity or personality disorder symptoms of clients, YOU help guarantee they persist. Those who risk enabling unstable clients with knowledge or technologies that can endanger others are unable to afford the luxury of pandering at that level. Those in a strong business position have little need for keeping cost-center clients when their product or service creates competetive demand, instead they upgrade their client base.
    Everyone deserves a chance, but those who prove incapable rarely make good customers. Bad clients can provide no profit themselves. They can also drive away other clients. If you actually have a need to maintain these clients and support their problems, it is time to evaluate your business position and your leadership practices. Of course, if you are a community organizer, you lead the members of that community...

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    clcronan

    02/17/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Should I Suck Up to Stupid Clients?

    Great article.

    But can you treat this from the opposite view. How should a customer react with the hired help? What makes a good customer especially if there is a really tight budget?

    I have experienced the stupid customer and I was frustrated by the lack of acceptance of my insight to solve the problem; I mean, what was he paying me for? Turned out I was right, and this guy spent thousands of dollars chasing a non-existent solution and refused my advice built of experience. Sure it was money in the bank, but I really felt bad for him.

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    Ancient_One

    02/17/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Should I Suck Up to Stupid Clients?

    What is hired help?

    In an era where management-by-contract is replacing leadership of people, skilled tradespeople, highly trained professionals, and competent knowledge workers get treated as interchangeable migrant laborers. A practice that has been proven costly when the so-called "leadership team" lacks the abilities to create and sustain the attainment of their own goals.

    Client royalty, whether an outside customer or an insider, may get an excellent solution - once. Demotivating those who invest themselves in a solution limits the ability to obtain repeatable excellence. Neither costs and rewards are always monetary or obvious.

    What is the cost of a client who brags about doing business with your firm because you are patsies, and how he has driven a bargain that leaves you with marginal profit to be further diminished by support demand or scope creep? What is the cost of personnel turnover to in search of more professional working relationships?

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    Maponya

    02/17/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Should I Suck Up to Stupid Clients?

    Do your part, and do it in a friendly way. Your clients will notice. And make them see thet you're actually there to help...

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    mukula

    02/17/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Should I Suck Up to Stupid Clients?

    great article but what if the client is really stupid l mean even after giving him all the respect and attention he needs but he/she still treats you like trash

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    tiho maher

    02/17/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Should I Suck Up to Stupid Clients?

    I believe key question for sales pro is: is this customer acting stupid to get better deal and make fool of me or he is really stupid? If he is stupid previous replies are prividing answer (train them), which may be good long term investment from your side. If he acts stupid and that's only a tactics you may a) disclose it, or b) act stupid, too. Any boat need clever captain, so your "stupidity" may force them change attitude.

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    McNiche

    02/17/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Should I Suck Up to Stupid Clients?

    Well said, y'all.

    By now its obvious that the number one language that your client understands is delivery; synonymous to this are solution, result, you can keep naming them...

    There's a place for professional advice, but you've got to wade in gently if you don't want them to start feeling pushed, cos thats a very bad way for a client to feel.

    Be gentle and diplomatic.

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    karolsapiro

    02/18/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Should I Suck Up to Stupid Clients?

    If you feel they are stupid, fire them.

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    v.zanidou

    02/18/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Should I Suck Up to Stupid Clients?

    Clients pay you to listen to your ideas and solutions to their needs. If you don't have the strength to convice them that you have the answer then yes...you have to suck up to them!!! Be polite & genuine, not greasy!!

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    Cuomosabi1

    02/18/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Should I Suck Up to Stupid Clients?

    great article, customers are like family, whether you like them or not is irrelevant, they are not going anywhere and you are in a better situation if you learn to deal effectively

    IF they do go somewhere else, it means you are nothing

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    DDDLyman

    02/18/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Should I Suck Up to Stupid Clients?

    BAD ADVISE from Stanley Bing!
    Maybe you are in the wrong field. The only grumpy one is you.
    The customer pays you for your expertise, and not for you to lie to them based on their ego. Pandering to a client about their ego will not help the client and will not build your business. Helping the client dig a deeper hole is nonsense, and ultimately you will be blamed for the failure. The client does not hire you to stroke their ego.

    Your job is not to "train the customer to be a better customer". If an agency patronized me the way you are suggesting I would terminate the relationship right away. They hired you for a solution and not a warm soft feeling. Your responsibility is to tell them what they need to know, knowing they do not have to accept it.

    Participating in a failure helps neither the agency nor the customer.

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    jufetame

    02/18/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Should I Suck Up to Stupid Clients?

    I think that is important to tell your clients
    what your job is... if they're hiring you to
    do your job they should let you do it.
    I believe that a very crucial part of your
    service is to teach your clients how to work
    efficiently, but you need to listen to stanley
    tips for doing this in a good way.

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    PlanWriter

    02/18/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Should I Suck Up to Stupid Clients?

    Wow! It is truly amazing what a bad answer Stanley gave and then how many gutless, dumb people agreed with him. I won't bother repeating all the correct thinking in the two long correct answers above that disagree, but they are dead on. Get rid of stupid clients who won't let you do your job properly; they are only a failure in the offing. Integrity matters a great deal (except to Stanley anf friends apparently). Do the right thing; don't take money from fools to do the wrong thing. That's just slimy, demeaning, unprofessional and cynical. Stanley is stupid and we should all fire him. let him sell his pap to the great unwashed fools.

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    tdhawkins

    02/18/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Should I Suck Up to Stupid Clients?

    This is great advice if you'd like to burn out and lead a potentially miserable life. Treat others the way you wish to be treated and do your best to help, but don't sacrifice your integrity. There is a time to cut the chord, and you'll sleep much better when you realize you've done the best you could without being a phony.

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    Larraineboyd@...

    02/18/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Should I Suck Up to Stupid Clients?

    Sucking up is different things to different people. The client will show you if yours is working for them or not. Life is short. Suck up - do it sincerely - and if your style isn't working...move on and keep happy! There's lots more calls ahead of you!

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    Harry Schmedlap

    02/18/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Should I Suck Up to Stupid Clients?

    Here is the dilemma of the ad biz: You are supposed to be a valued advisor. You are supposed to be given responsibility to achieve important goals within the marketing mix. That said, your clients are extremely high ego individuals AND (this is a real big "and") agencies struggle with accountability because of the inexact science that advertising is. Cleints accumstomed to direct cause-->effect relationships have a hard time dealing with advertising. If they do it themselves, they often consider the medium to be at fault. If they use an ad agency, it's the agency's fault. The truth is that advertising is cause and effect, but often the learning curve of the marketplace produces a very hard to predict progression in terms of attitude change. Hence, you cannot just "humor" a client - you must manage expectations and engage in education. Clearly, advertisng does work, however, just like it generally takes most of us some extended period of time to get to know anybody or anything, so will advertising succeed, if given the time and concentration to do so. As an advisor to many clients, I have always "loved" them, but with the maturity that goes with both of us understanding that I recognize my role to serve, but they accept my fiduciary responsibility to advise to the best of my ability.

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    ewojtal

    02/18/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Should I Suck Up to Stupid Clients?

    First and foremost, the client is not "Stupid", maybe just misinformed. Is it really "Sucking up" or trying to understand the clients needs (real or perceived)? Try to see it from their side? A little TLC and patience will pay off in the long run.

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    Harry Schmedlap

    02/18/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Should I Suck Up to Stupid Clients?

    The dilemma of the ad biz is that an agency should be a valued advisor, responsible for achieving important marketing goals. That said, clients have big egos and agencies struggle with accountability because of the inexact science that advertising is. Clients accustomed to cause-effect relationships have a hard time with advertising. If they do it themselves, they often consider the medium to be at fault. If they use an agency, it's the agency's fault. The truth is that advertising is cause and effect, but often the learning curve of the marketplace is a hard-to-predict progression of attitude change. For the long term, you cannot just "humor" a client. You must manage expectations and engage in education. Advertising does work, however, just like it generally takes most of us some time to get to know anybody or anything, so will advertising succeed, if given the right time and proper concentration. As an advisor to many clients, I always "love" them with the knowledge of my role to serve AND with and equal understanding (by both of us) of my responsibility to advise to the best of my ability.

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    ceriese

    02/18/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Should I Suck Up to Stupid Clients?

    There's a difference between integrity and blindly refusing to change. If you're in the ad industry and you think that everything you present to the client is pure gold, you're in the wrong line of work. It's a give and take, based on both your expertise AND their needs and their knowledge of their own product, (which is far better than yours). You're creating ads to help them grow their business, and thereby grow your own with your reputation for being able to help clients.

    Granted, there ARE some "stupid" clients out there. People who absolutely cannot and/or will not understand either the process or what it really takes to market a product. Yes, absolutely fire those, because they will suck the life from you and cost you more than you earn from them.

    However, everyone else should be guided and taught and listened to when you can get past your own ego and realize they're sometimes right. People in our line of work sometimes forget that yes, they're paying you for your "expertise", but if you can't provide very good reasons for why you're doing it a certain way (other than simply because you like it better and think you can do no wrong), they can and probably will go somewhere else. They have the choice just as much as you have the choice to work with them. Then before long you discover you and your agency have a reputation for being difficult to work with and no one will hire you because your "expertise" became "mud". There's always a balance between you and the client... otherwise, it's just a dictatorship, not a relationship.

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    Cecilia-FocusedMomentum

    02/18/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Should I Suck Up to Stupid Clients?

    I don't totally agree. I do agree that in the professional service biz we are all in the role of helping people. If they all were very skilled,had great insights and made great decisions we wouldn't have a business. However, there are clients that are just beyond our help or not a good match for what we offer. The longer we dig in and try to make these relationships work the more we can dig ourselves into a deep hole of frustration. This frustration leads to us not delivering a great product and not feeling very good about our services/ourselves. This can start a horrible negative loop and soon enough we hate what we do, hate our clients and end up ruining our business.
    I think we need to do as you suggest and also continually search and ask the question... is this the right fit. As soon as it isn't find alternatives for the client and HAPPILY move on!

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    cburtcheard

    02/18/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Should I Suck Up to Stupid Clients?

    After 20 years in the business working with Advertising clients, I know that the quickest and easiest answer is to be a "yes" man and agree to what the client wants to do. Now a management consultant to Advertising Agencies, I often see my clients struggling with this issue.

    As an Agency, you have to remind the client that they didn't hire you do produce the same things that Kinko's or Alpha Graphics can simply reproduce for them, but more thinking in the long term objective. Remind them that you do not have an ulterior motive other than tho help their business grow. You also provide an independent and outsider view of ways to approach their marketing that as employees of the company, they will not have.

    If this is truly a "Stupid Client" that will never listen to your suggestions and you are just an order taker, this is the type of client that you should recommend be fired by the agency. Any client that is always unhappy with your work, doesn't take any recommendations you have made, or is always wanting changes in your work should be considered as a potential "to fire client".

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    rosario manahan

    02/18/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Should I Suck Up to Stupid Clients?

    Anyone heard about predictive future value of clients? If he's worth it, economically and ethically, go for it. Someone mentioned TLC. Let me add the Golden Rule.

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    Ancient_One

    02/18/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Should I Suck Up to Stupid Clients?

    Example - Too Much Ego Stroking:

    Blackwater USA got a client that has at times been viewed as not too bright as an organizational. The contract involved PR and advertising aspects for both contracting organizations. Blackwater did not manage the client or the contract activities sufficiently, demonstrating incidents of poorly implemented leadership, and causing a backlash to the developed image. Blackwater has found a necessity to pay for procedure upgrades and a substantial rebranding.

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    Keith Mayfield

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    Keith Mayfield

    02/18/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Should I Suck Up to Stupid Clients?

    Stanley is absolutely right. You're in business to get business. If you want the world to know how RIGHT you are or how smart you are, you're missing the poit. Your client only want to to know how well you can help them do what they want to do. Otherwise you are useless. Learn that fast or you'll be out of business.

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    Steve Tobak

    02/19/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Should I Suck Up to Stupid Clients?

    For those who think Bing missed something here, you might consider his perspective. When he says, "If I had an advertising agency and they didn?t listen to me, I?d fire them right away," he means it.

    Also, in the business world, "Too Much Integrity" is code for self-important PITA who thinks it's all about him or her.

    I think Bing nailed it.

    Steve Tobak

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    rdebaun

    02/19/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Should I Suck Up to Stupid Clients?

    Seems to me there's lots of muddy thinking in these posts. It may be helpful if we take the original question at face value, without fantasizing about Too Much Integrity's competence/motives or the degree of his clients' stupidity. Here's my shot at clarity for Too Much Integrity (and all the "Too Little Integrity"-types who've posted):
    1. All we "owe" our clients is civility, honesty, and our best advice and efforts.
    2. If a client rejects our advice--whatever the reason--we have two choices:
    2.1 Carry out his instructions to the best of our ability (and bill him accordingly), or
    2.2 Withdraw our services.
    3. Either choice can be ethical. For example, if the client is teachable, 2.1 can lead to a mutually profitable, long-term relationship.
    4. Unless one is an unethical jerk, there is no such thing as "too much" integrity.
    p.s. Shame on you, Stanley. If your unwarranted ad hominum rant and the-customer's-always-right screed is typical of how you treat people, I wouldn't accept you as a client. (Although it does make me wonder what kind of relationship you have with your doctor. Did you fire him you disagreed with his diagnosis? Or was the lobotomy your idea?)

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    victoria4

    02/19/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Should I Suck Up to Stupid Clients?

    Oh, what tripe! Who is your worst client? The one who doesn't trust you. If your client is frequently not taking your advice (which is the most important thing you sell, by the way), taking over the steering wheel, insisting on being right, and being stupid, etc, you are going to be stressed out and miserable. Plus, when things fail, you're going to get the blame. They never, ever accept the blame. Instead, they tell everyone they know how you failed.

    The problem here is (1) you accepted a client without a clear understanding in advance of how things are going to work (2) You are too hungry and are accepting stressful clients, always a bad idea, and (3) you're not very good at client management. And, your client doesn't respect you.

    I've owned an advertising agency for 23 years. You put up with BS when you are new, stupid yourself, and don't have enough stature to stand up to stupidity. Once you learn the consequences the hard way, you develop a nose for stupid clients and either don't accept them or double your fees. At least that way, they are worth it.

    STAND UP FOR YOURSELF!!! LEARN CLEVER WAYS TO TAKE CONTROL. In the long run, your client will respect you for it.

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    rdebaun

    02/24/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Should I Suck Up to Stupid Clients?

    Good Lord! Did I really post what I posted in post #32? Clear evidence I really shouldn't be posting things after midnight...

    Please accept my deepest apologies, Stanley (& all), for the snide parenthetical comment in my p.s. last Thursday. If you can delete it, please do so. I guess I, too, am only human after all. What a shock...

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    scribbler60

    04/14/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Should I Suck Up to Stupid Clients?

    80% of your problems are going to come from 20% of your customers. That's nothing new and not surprising. And those difficult customers are probably going to take up 80% of your time (and, in all likelihood, going to delay payment as long as possible).

    Meanwhile, those 20% of clients who pay most of the bills are going to get short shrift because you're too busy pandering to the troublesome 80%.

    Sometimes you're better off firing those troublesome clients - those ones who don't help your bottom line and don't appreciate your energy anyway - and focusing your energy on those clients who actually pay well, pay on time and appreciate your expertise.

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    2cents

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    Moneysworth

    I can only partially agree to Stanley Bing. He's right if one is helpless
    and is at the client's mercy. But if one can move on to better roads
    and greener pastures, then the client should be fired as soon as one
    is able. Job satisfaction is indeed the most important keeping in mind,
    one should have a job to be satisfied!

    I'm in a similar predicament with my client, who is also my boss. All I
    do is hear what she has to say but do only what I have to do. I'm a
    strong believer that I got hired for my expertise and not to please or
    be a yes man.

    If the client's approach is more troubling than anything else, it better
    to way the pros and cons of having to take it and do what works for
    you.
    There is no need to suck up to it if there are better alternatives.

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