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Money Managers Guilty as Madoff?

January 2nd, 2009 @ 5:30 am

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Categories: Ethics, Marketing, Personalities, Rant, Watercooler

Tags: Money Manager, Sales Strategy, Sales Force Management, Investment, Sales, Finance, Geoffrey James


My posts this week revealing supposed excerpts from Bernie Madoff’s book proposal (see list below) have evidently struck a nerve among the “money manager” community.

For example, one of this ilk sent me a note a couple of days ago:

Not funny and actually offensive. I feel sorry for you. Insulting people won’t bring you any friends.

And this comment (which from the reference to “clients” I assume it’s from another money manager) came in from Florida:

I have clients in Palm Beach, Florida. It is much too soon for humor making fun of the criminal who has ruined so many peoples’ lives.  (if it will ever be appropriate) Thumbs down on this post.

I have some comments about such criticism, needless to say.

I’m not at all surprised that money managers are offended, considering they’re largely to blame for the debacle.

Look, I can understand if Joe Investor can’t figure out if an investment is bogus.  But it’s because of a realization of his own ignorance that Joe Investor hires a money manager in the first place.

It’s the job of the money manager to figure out whether an investment makes sense, and whether or not its fraudulent.

A competent money manager should have been able to figure out, based upon the available data, that Madoff’s scheme was bogus.

On the other hand, if there wasn’t enough information to figure out exactly what Madoff was doing, then a competent money manager would have advised against investing, simply because Madoff’s model was too opaque for proper due diligence.

These money managers were paid to be trusted advisers - experts who were supposed to be difficult to fool.

Instead, they swallowed Madoff’s BS hook, line and stinker.  So excuse me if I’m not sympathetic.

Frankly, the money managers who counseled investing in Madoff were lazy S.O.B.s who were milking connections to get commissions, without really doing their job.

Any sales professional who poses as a trusted advisor (which is exactly what a money manager does) has an obligation to actually be trustworthy, and do some real work (as in real research) for their clients.

In general, I’m 100 percent on the side of the sales professionals, but I consider these money manager guys nearly as culpable as Madoff.

These money managers were being paid, in part, to smoke out fraud.  They failed.  Miserably.

The way I see it, if investors can’t get their money back from Madoff, then the money managers should do what they can to make it good….down to their last cent.

Anyway, here are the posts that the money managers find so offensive:

The Bernie Madoff Book Proposal

This Blog's Best Post: The Ultimate Cold Calling Tool

 
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    RyeG

    01/02/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Money Managers Guilty as Madoff?

    I don't find your approach offensive, it's just that I find its innappropriate for the venue. The BNet website is an information tool for insight and analysis on current events. If I want funny, I know where to go for humour. I go to websites for their core competency and I think you were stretching yourself in a direction that is out of your comfort zone. You haven't lost a reader. Your contributions are valuable, consider this a reminder of why people come to read you.

    Here is a blog I was reading on the Madoff Scandal. The author comes to a similar conclusion as you, without managing to offend religious sensibilities.

    http://garnelironheart.blogspot.com/2008/12/working-hard-for-money.html

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    Geoffrey James, Sales Machine

    01/02/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Money Managers Guilty as Madoff?

    I disagree. The Madoff scandal is a SALES scandal involving a particular culture of selling that's evolved at the upper levels of the financial services industry.

    Furthermore, even though I presented them as satire, Madoff's techniques are fundamentally sound and would work even if you were selling something legitimate. The concept that you are a brand, that you should find places to mingle with prospects, and that deregulation frees the "dark side" of the sales force (Secrets 1 2 and 3) are definitely issues within the purview of this blog.

    Now, I may have insulted religious sensibilities, but the only reason the satire might be a bit offensive is because there's a grain of truth in it. FACT: Fraudsters tend to prey on religious groups. Why is that, if not the reason I had "Madoff" say? Do you seriously think that the religious are LESS gullible than the skeptical public?

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    RyeG

    01/02/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Money Managers Guilty as Madoff?

    First off, I think "insulted" is too harsh a comment for the article. I wasn't insulted or offended by the piece because it stands within the spectre of your work. I was questioning the effectiveness of your use of satire. The content is good stuff, I only have niggling doubts about the effectiveness of your media in getting out the message.

    In terms of your conclusions: I can't state definatively the correlation between gullability and religion, because the defining parameters are sufficiently ubiquitous to process. What characterizes religious? Belief alone, or does the desire to seek out primary sources and learn directly from scriptures matter? If you look at someone who receives religion blindly, then yes, they are more gullible than the average. If you look at someone who has questions about his religion and cracks open a selection of books that are regarded as the most reliable of opinions on the matter, than I don't feel they would be any more gullible than the next person.

    Ryan

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