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Management Consulting = Huge Ripoff?

November 8th, 2008 @ 4:00 am

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DUH

I’ve met dozens of management consultants over my fairly long career in business.  Some of them were really smart guys who really can help companies.

Even so, I think that the vast majority of management consultants are worse than useless.  In most cases, and particularly when you’re dealing with the big providers, management consulting is the Ferrari of corporate ripoffs.Here’s how these guys work.

During the sales cycle, they get the big guns involved — the partners that are full of experience and know how to glad-hand top management.  Then, once they’ve gotten the contract, they pad the project with fresh-off-the-campus MBAs who’ve never run a lemonade stand.

Here’s a real example from my personal experience.

When I worked for DEC in the early 1990s, the company had an 800 person software development organization.  It was structured into teams consisting of:

  • a manager
  • a system architect
  • a product manager
  • a project manager
  • a marketing manager
  • a programmer

The manager was the highest paid individual, and the programmer was the lowest paid.  The only person on the team who actually developed software was the programmer.  The rest of the team went to meetings and traded diagrams describing what their team was going to program… some day.

Once the programmer actually programmed something, he or she was expected to support it forever.  Which essentially meant the end of their career, because then they’d have no hope of becoming one of the “managers.”

Anybody want to guess how much software came out of this organization, which represented an $80 million a year investment for the company?  You guess it.  Bupkis.

The problem wasn’t rocket science.  Obviously, DEC needed to fire everybody in that group who didn’t know how to program, and then reward people for more programming than for managing programmers.

Top management hired McKinsey to help them solve the problem.

McKinsey did the old “bait and switch” and the the hordes of fresh MBAs attended dozens of meetings, conducted interviews, etc.  The process took six months and cost $2 million.  The result was an inch-thick report, full of diagrams describing the problem (incorrectly) and proposing a (wrong) solution.

As somebody with a background working (at another company) with the most productive programming team in the world (see: The Tao of Programming), I was asked my opinion of the report.

My comment to top management was pretty much as follows:

“The report has 40 diagrams in it.  Since the report cost $2 million, that’s roughly $50,000 per diagram.  Might I suggest that, next time, we consider using that money to buy fine art, because then we’d have something to sell when we go out of business.”

True story.

Since then, I’ve investigated at least a dozen consulting engagements that went wrong, mostly in the area of IT.   I’ve had management consultant assure me (privately) that many of them are aware they’re running a scam, but that there’s so much money involved they can’t resist.

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    ingoodcompany

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    RE: Management Consulting = Huge Ripoff?

    You know, I think I'm going to start calling you the Don Rickles of management bloggers. Have you ever wondered whether it was your negativity that "facilitated" your having worked at so many different places ( most of which seem to have been populated by management idiots, in your estimation ). Big business is racist! Management is crap! Marketing is useless! Advertising is a waste! Management consultants are worthless! Just forget the rest and get out there and sell, sell, sell!!!

    Boy, maybe I should give this blogging thing a try.

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    ingoodcompany

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    RE: Management Consulting = Huge Ripoff?

    I think I'm going to start calling you the Don Rickles of management bloggers. Have you ever wondered whether it was your negativity that "facilitated" your having worked at so many different places ( most of which seem to have been populated by management idiots, in your estimation ). Big business is racist! Management is crap! Marketing is useless! Advertising is a waste! Management consultants are worthless! Just forget the rest and get out there and sell, sell, sell!!!

    Boy, maybe I should give this blogging thing a try.

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    may08

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    RE: Management Consulting = Huge Ripoff?

    I think sales people should be careful where we point the live end of a gun.

    In any job there are good and bad seeds. Management consulting just happens to be the most visible because people actually are good or bad - not many 'tweeners out there.

    Same exists for sales - as someone who is trying to hire good sales people, have worked along side them, etc. it is also equally amazing at how many cannot sell their way out of a paper bag yet go from company to company getting that executive income/parachute for a short time before anyone notices. And likely they even have a reputation as being a "mover and shaker - real money maker!"

    It all comes down to personal integrity and not names. You can buy a Ferrari but it doesn't mean that everyone knows how to drive it. Just because we put in place either management consulting processes, or selling processes, doesn't mean everyone can execute them exactly the same.

    I wish that was true each day I go to sell - how much easier it would be if someone just handed me the manual.

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    Geoffrey James, Sales Machine

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    RE: Management Consulting = Huge Ripoff?

    QUOTE: Don Rickles of management bloggers


    Yeah, this week's posts about the "Gods of Sales" are a real downer. Nothing is more depressing than looking at how wonderfully successful some sales professionals have become, and then giving some suggestions about how to imitate their success.



    Look, the reason that I write about what's wrong with the business world is that nobody else is doing it. The business press is full of puff pieces, CEO brown-nosing, and kowtowing to the MBA shibboleths.



    Sales is real. Sales is about actually doing business. Sales is the heart of capitalism. Part of being in sales -- and appreciating it -- is being keenly aware of the uselessness of most non-sales activity. Most of what goes on in the American corporation is overhead that adds to the cost of sales.



    I'm just the only person who's not willing to pretend that there's not just an elephant in the room...there's a herd of woolly mammoths in here, and they've all got a thyroid problem.

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    managementconsultant1

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    RE: Management Consulting = Huge Ripoff?

    I tried to think of a way to respond to this ... but your emotive opinion seems to suggest that you are stuck in your ways.

    You have chosen to target a massive industry that supports a wide range of different services across numerous industries and branded it a farce choosing an experience from the 1990???s as your example. Might I remind you that the dot com bubble burst in the 1990???s ??? does that mean that IT was a ???huge rip off??? in the dot com era? Have you ever considered that perhaps the project of your example was simply not a viable solution and should have been scrapped before it started?

    The problem with issues like this is that instead of learning from our mistakes and making amends for the future; people such as yourself harp on the mistakes and short-comings so that every future project is bound for failure. Every experience should incorporate a feed-back loop or some form of evaluation to ensure that we learn from our mistakes and move forward in a way that creates some benefit from our learning???s.

    There are bound to be cases in which management consultants fail in their duty of care; just as I???m sure there are cases in which lawyers, accountants, marketers, advertisers and IT workers are likely to underperform. However, I feel your article needs some rationalisation and a dose of common sense.

    ???Look, the reason that I write about what's wrong with the business world is that nobody else is doing it. The business press is full of puff pieces, CEO brown-nosing, and kowtowing to the MBA shibboleths.??? ??? True and I share your frustration; but the real revenge is in commenting with some degree of intelligence rather than ranting on like a child who has been denied their sweets.

    I am a certified programmer in Sun, Microsoft and OpenSource development; a Certified Practicing Accountant; and a Management Consultant in the Financial/Health Industry. In the recent down-turn; our clients continued to experience stable growth due to strategies we helped to implement to stabilise the business and take advantage or realistic investments.

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    Geoffrey James, Sales Machine

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    RE: Management Consulting = Huge Ripoff?

    If you don't believe me on this subject, you might want to check out the book:




    Dangerous Company: The Consulting Powerhouses and the Businesses they Save and Ruin

    It's ten years old, but it reveals exactly how these firms operate -- and how frequently they fail.



    By the way, when it comes to Information Technology (IT) consulting, the industry track record is even worse. According to one major analyst I spoke with, there's never been a single IT consulting project that was completed on-time, on-budget, with full functionality. Not one.

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    managementconsultant1

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    RE: Management Consulting = Huge Ripoff?

    Geoffrey - you seem to have missed my point and your rebuttal seems to include further sweeping generalisations. I am not arguing that failures do not exist in the market. Current statistics indicate that 90% of IT projects fail ??? whether the measure is time, budget or functionality.

    The book you refer to limits its analysis to larger consultants such as Andersen Consulting, Boston Consulting Group and Gemini Consulting were the goal of the client is often lost in the bureaucratic nature of larger firms. The list of failures in this space is endless.

    But for you to take a broadside unequivocal sweep at an industry as a whole, on the basis of failures in particular segments, suggests a lack of true knowledge on the "subject". If you need updated material on corporate and IT failures ??? try Corporate Information Strategy and Management Applegate, Austin and McFarlan; at least this book was published this decade and focuses not only on the shortcomings of companies/consultants, but of the competitors and their consultants who got it right and achieved their business and IT goals.

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    globalfabllc

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    RE: Management Consulting = Huge Ripoff?

    Another book on the subject - from a personal point of view is "Consulting Demons: Inside the Unscrupulous World of Global Corporate Consulting by Lewis Pinault". It illustrates perfectly that the SALE is the most important piece of the consulting project other than stretching the project to the point where even the outsourced cleaning crew knows it is a scam. My experience with consultants is that they are not really there to improve things definitively, as that is the end of their sponging off the top line. They are there to constantly loop every process and procedure through their evaluation filter while getting exec mgmt to question director's and manager's true skills. A real win is to get such buy in that the company allows the consultants to hire the replacement mgmt talent, thereby extending the contract as a matter of loyalty. Consultants are to companies what loser relatives who move in "until things get better" are to families. Without a show down, neither is going to be leaving anytime soon. Oh, and can we use you as a case study?

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    ingoodcompany

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    Elephant in the blog....

    "Loser relatives...?" "Sponging off the top line...?" I'm kinda thinking that the only elephant sized thing in this room is the ego of one sales guy turned blogger. wink If I had a dollar for every time a salesman tried to close a deal with no margin -- or worse, below cost -- just to make his quota at the expense of the company, I could have retired a wealthy man long ago. There's a reason why the plaid jacket and bow tie are iconic and culturally repugnant. There's a reason why its been said that "the sale is a fear-driven transaction: The salesman is afraid the customer won't buy, and the customer is afraid he will." There's a reason why the Brooklyn Bridge and swampland in Florida and the Susquehanna Hat Company are proverbial. There's a reason why selling ice to Eskimos is the mark of a motivated but unethical salesman. There's a reason why the terms "slimey", "sleazy" and "slithering" are closely associated with sales. Of course, I could go on and on and on. But the readers get the point here. Yes, sales makes money for a company...but they're not alone. A lot of great people with tremendous skills support the sales team, packing their parachutes as it were, daily making the sales force more effective in their jobs. Come on, Geoffrey. You've written a bit of good stuff before, interesting enough, somewhat thought-provoking, maybe even insightful at times. Give the rest of us a little break from the broad spectrum finger pointing and profession bashing. Drop the Don Rickles routines and try to get back to substantive arguments that evidence a little brain sweat, some intellectual rigor and essence of mind. Put some muscle in it, Geoffrey. Why risk making a lot of truly great and humble sales professionals appear to be egomaniacal self-aggrandizing line shooters when they don't deserve it. You can do better, Geoffrey, for yourself and your fellows in the field, by doing more than elevating sales by attempting to make others look bad. That's the method of a weak minds and poor performers.

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    Geoffrey James, Sales Machine

    11/11/08 | Report as spam

    RE: Management Consulting = Huge Ripoff?

    QUOTE from ingoodcompany: "Loser relatives...?" "Sponging off the top line...?" I'm kinda thinking that the only elephant sized thing in this room is the ego of one sales guy turned blogger

    Uhhh...those particular comments were made by a reader, not by me. But they're substantially correct.

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    NorthstarFlorida

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    Consulting and coaching is not a ripoff

    First, let me say that I have been on both sides of the table.

    In my corporate career I have experienced instances in which the incoming consultant(s) interviewed the staff, wrote a report, and submitted essentially the same recommendations that could have been obtained by better communication without a consultant to management. In essence, they asked us for our watch and told us what time it was.

    I have also experienced instances in which cross-functional projects that produced benefits to the whole organization were implemented because consultants skillfully acted as catalysts to cause change to take place that would not have happened without them.

    I am now a consultant/coach because of the vision that I received from those positive experiences. Saying that consultants are necessarily a "Huge Ripoff" because companies should know what to do and do it on their own is very much like saying that an athletic coach is a "Huge Ripoff" to successful athletes because they already have the ability to succeed without them.

    Does Tiger Woods have a coach???

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    ingoodcompany

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    Elephant in the Blog...

    Silly me. It sounded so much like you, I thought it WAS you when I read it. I apologize for my incorrect attribution...but knowing you agree with it in substance makes it the mildest of apologies. wink

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    mjkkissinger

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    RE: Management Consulting = Huge Ripoff?

    If you think such a thing you may want to review www.ProfitBuildersInc.com. or the companies of firms that work on a "performance-results only basis" only.

    Many consulting firms make claims they will not guarantee with a full performance-money-back-guarantee. These generally are the rip-off firms. They are all over the internet and are in every aspect of business.

    Because of the claims of most management and marketing people and their inability to guarantee results your article is 100% correct.

    Many management and marketing firms and people who claim they are management or marketing or sales consultants, and who are not. It they were what they claimed they would provide performance based guarantees. No result- No fee.

    One of the reasons the site [www.ProfitBuildersInc.com.] was created to eliminate the problems bogus consultants??? cause who can't perform. This site gives all small business owners and managers real and proven surveys, analysis, systems, methods, and controls that do exactly what small business in America needs.

    Small business owners and managers get for no money up front and a 100% personal satisfaction 3-1 ROI guarantee. They get a multimillion dollar system that works. A system any small business owner can use for 30 days or more absolutely free to get the results they seek. A system that is guaranteed to produce proven results or there is no fee.

    With this in mind we can say there is no "marketing or management rip-off" where agreed to results are fully guaranteed or all fees are returned. There is no ???marketing or management rip-offs where consultants either perform or there is no fee. In that case business owners get exactly what they pay for results only.

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    Geoffrey James, Sales Machine

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    RE: Management Consulting = Huge Ripoff?

    QUOTE from mjkkissinger: With this in mind we can say there is no "marketing or management rip-off" where agreed to results are fully guaranteed or all fees are returned. There is no marketing or management rip-offs where consultants either perform or there is no fee.

    This is quite true, which is why I said that some management consultants actually are capable of helping companies. I might add that, in addition to working outside of the "billable hours" business model, useful management consultants ALWAYS have specific experience in the environments where they're providing advice and counsel. The idea of "generic" management consulting is entirely bogus, just like the idea that getting an MBA makes a person a manager.

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    ollyl@...

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    RE: Management Consulting = Huge Ripoff?

    Geoffrey, you have been very clever in stirring up this hornet's nest. It makes great reading and all sides of the argument contain a grain of truth.

    No doubt there are charlatans in every profession, from medicine to sales to, dare I say it, management consulting.

    I have been on both sides of the table too, and have enjoyed some success consulting.

    I certainly agree with you regarding many of the larger consulting firms, whose singular concern seems to be preserving the relationship untill everything that can be milked from it has been.

    There are consultants who care, and have skill and ethics, as in every other profession.

    Don't tar everyone with the same brush, but have it ready for the cheats.

    Ollie Lind
    Howcani

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    twanless@...

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    RE: Management Consulting = Huge Ripoff?

    Seems to me you're complaining about the hierarchy of all professional services, not just management consulting. Big firms in any profession always aim at maximizing sales in order to support the partnership structures. Management consulting is a discipline, like many other professional services. And as with most such services, some maintain the discipline and some don't. Are all lawyers ambulance-chasing connivers and manipulators? Of course not. And neither are all management consultants bogus.
    I recognize that blogs need to be forceful to be noticed, but they also require discipline, lest they start to resemble a circus geek show. I think you're straying into biting the heads off bats territory.

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    may08

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    RE: Management Consulting = Huge Ripoff?

    I have been a consulting and I have employed consultants - the management type.

    My comment is straight forward - know who you are dealing with. Geoffery is right - I worked at a consulting firm (not for long) that inflated hours, put the greenest of the green on the account and still billed the seasoned pro rates. This was not the exception - it abounds. It abounded when times were strong, and now abounds even more when economic times are weak.

    That said - I avoid the large, "all we do is consult" firms. Albeit not the silver bullet, going with a smaller, more intimate relationship binds the players. And you know who you are working with - hopefully. Again - guarantees are limited.

    Even though they might work for a guaranteed result - who wants to commit resources and time to a project that still can fail? Just because there is a guarantee doesn't make it a 100% success guarantee. It just means the risk is lower if you take it on. Two different things.

    I find that many folks also don't do the due diligence when hiring a management consultant. They do limited reference checks. They don't ask around to the non-references (the accounts that aren't on the list they gave you to call), or basic background research say on the web(not that it is all 100% accurate either!). But combined patterns form and you can get an idea of just how succesful that firm might be.

    I know of one that came in, said all the right things, showed us paperwork, presentations, case examples, and references. But what was strange is that the references were all from accounts that were 5-10 years ago. And the people they had us talk to also were on the board of advisors, or has spoken at their event (as a paid speaker) or some other strange connection that didn't seem real.

    Due diligence is the key - it won't protect you from those that do harm and have gotten away with it. But it will go a long way to putting them on their heals and letting them know that guarantees are not enough. You have zero tolerence for exaggerations in how well they will perform. And get in writing the names of who will be ont he account - and that they have to notify you in writing if those names change.

    Lastly - check out things like Spoke or LinkedIn - see the turnover. If people come and go from these consulting firms you might have an answer right there.

    Just some pointers that have served me well over the years.

    As as a former consultant - there really are some good ones out there. But they are few and far between. What often happens is they lose focus - branch into areas that they really are no longer experts in simply to get the money and poof - they are in over their heads. It happens, but watch for that pattern too.

    Sorry such a long post!!! (And for the countless typos I'm sure are up there!)

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    lady4

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    RE: Management Consulting = Huge Ripoff?

    Lots of people incorrectly believe that if you hire a management consulting firm, your company will be fixed. I have worked for many semiconductor companies, which, like Geoffrey states, paid for the pricey firms, had the hoards of fresh MBA's do the research, only to come up with an inch (or 2) thick report that says nothing. Huge waste of time and money. I've been through at least 4 cycles of that stuff. If your company lacks expertise in a specific area (which can be the case with small companies) a specific management company firm could help. But these huge companies like DEC and others, especially in semiconductors, don't get anything except lighter wallets. In my opinion, it's really quite simple: If you don't have the right talent, hire it. Make a good product (or service), be cost effective, deliver value and staff appropriately.

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    Geoffrey James, Sales Machine

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    RE: Management Consulting = Huge Ripoff?

    QUOTE from kristencote: If you don't have the right talent, hire it. Make a good product (or service), be cost effective, deliver value and staff appropriately.

    You'd think that that this simple recipe would be pretty obvious. And yet look at the U.S. car companies all ready to stick their hands in the pockets of the taxpayers to bail out their inability to follow that recipe. And I'll bet they've collectively spent over $1 billion on management consulting by this time. Freakin' pitiful.

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    may08

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    RE: Management Consulting = Huge Ripoff?

    Quote from Geoffrey James: "And yet look at the U.S. car companies all ready to stick their hands in the pockets of the taxpayers..."

    You know what I find interesting about the US automarket, is that GM actually had Toyota come in and help them turn around a factory in California, to become one of GM's best performing from one of its worst that was nearly shut down.

    And yet - even with an example right in their own back yard - with the competition helping them out - they still couldn't figure out how to make money.

    If only hiring a few talented folks would be the answer too. It is a commedy of factors that make or break a company as Geoffrey implies.

    Having worked for the successful version of a company and its unsuccessful counterpart in the same industry - it is about how that talent is managed, the direction the company elects to pursue, its ability to execute and so on and so on.

    If this blog could figure out as single answer as to why management consultants, or those on staff fail - Mr. James' blog would be worth more than those recent bailout packages!

    Back to the point - management consultants often put their finger in the dam. Just like Toyota did - prolonging the inevitable bad management and excution that is the source of these company's failings to begin with. Not many management consultants can make up for those factors.

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    tudor.montescu

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    RE: Management Consulting = Huge Ripoff?

    ... and that ends my reading parts of this blog. I have unsubscribed.

    GJ, just go sell if you're really good at it.

    How is it possible to attack management consultants while singing praises to sales people.

    I ask you again, how is this possible? Please do not jump into activity and answer. Just let it sink in, you know the truth.

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    Geoffrey James, Sales Machine

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    RE: Management Consulting = Huge Ripoff?

    From a reader:




    Hi Geoffrey,



    What a steamy blog! It seems that some readers forget that it starts by praising "really smart guys who really can help companies," otherwise known as management consultants. Also, this blog does not make any comparisons with sales people and sales practices. It merely states that sales are the bottom line of any business.



    Granted, it is a blog and not an analysis. Hence, GJ's knee-jerk reaction to a problematic situation. Whether or not his broad-stroke attack is justified, it highlights a real problem that isn't about ethics only. It's about wasted productivity at a time when nobody can afford to indulge.



    I think mayo8 is right: customers need to do their bit through diligent research before hiring a consultant, including researching who is recommending them.



    As for guarantees, I recently had a plumber work five hours on a plugged drain without success. When I offered to get the One Second Plumber, he conceded despite his broken snake and using all the professional tricks in the book. Moments later, a discernible maelstrom was swirling down the drain with the plumber's professional pride in its wake.



    You can take any moral you like from this story. Personally, I didn't hold the failure against the plumber. But then I didn't have to pay him. If I had, I might have felt differently.

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    Geoffrey James, Sales Machine

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    RE: Management Consulting = Huge Ripoff?

    QUOTE from tudor.montescu: How is it possible to attack management consultants while singing praises to sales people.

    Actually, it's pretty easy. First of all, I'm not attacking ALL management consultants, just the ones that cater to executives who want the appearance of change, without the pain of really changing. Those executives, and the management consultants who kiss up to them, are parasitical, IMHO.



    An executive who gets rewarded obscenely, even when a company goes bankrupt, is a leech. A management consultant who pretends to help, but actually just reinforces the position of such an executive, is a bacterium feeding off the leech.



    Sales reps are almost never parasitical because they only get compensated when they actually achieve results. Ill-considered compensation can result in skewed results, of course, but that's a management problem, not a problem with the reps.



    So actually, it's pretty easy to make out sales reps to be the good guys.

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