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Could the Meltdown be a Hoax?

October 18th, 2008 @ 4:00 am

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Categories: Rant, Watercooler, Weekend

Tags: Y2K, Geoffrey James

End of the World as We Know ItI’m wondering whether the meltdown might be more a product of fear than of reality.

Obviously, sub-prime loans are really defaulting.  And there were a lot of packaged securities that used those loans.  However, it appears to me that a great deal of the meltdown has to do with stuff that nobody seems able to explain or measure.

There are all these bad securities out there, supposedly screwing up the finances of banks, but nobody knows where all of them are or how much they’re worth.  Doesn’t it seem odd to you that in a world where we’re practically drowning in numbers, nobody seems to be able to get their hands around the exact size of the problem?

And, speaking of numbers, a couple of days ago I heard some analyst talking about $100 trillion at risk.  I don’t care how screwed up the mortgage market is, there’s a “common sense” part of my brain that says: that’s ludicrous.

I smell a rat.  And it’s a rat that’s emitting the sour stink of deja vu.

One of the economists who’s being widely quoted on the meltdown is Ed Yardeni.   Turns out that Yardeni was a key proponent of the theory that impending Y2K disasters would mean the end of the world as we know it.

Now, there was some truth behind the Y2K situation, in the sense that there were some very old computer programs that couldn’t handle the date change.

But the notion that these would cause widespread disasters was ridiculous.  It depended upon two faulty premises: that errors could “cascade” from system to system like viruses (not true) and that embedded circuits used calendar dates rather than elapsed time (also not true).

The real proof that the Y2K threat was massively overblown was the fact that no disasters, major or minor, happened on Y2K.

Proponents of Y2K claim that the reason for the lack of failures was that all the bugs got fixed.  But that’s ridiculous, because computer programs are ALWAYS full of bugs, and program patches are more likely to be buggy than programs written from scratch.

If the Y2K problem were as enormous as the true-believers said, then the “fixing all the bugs” was the equivalent of rolling snake eyes 1000 times in a row.

Now, during the heyday of the Y2K mania, experts like Yardeni were absolutely convinced that the Y2K bugs (which did exist, but were minor) would have an economic impact as high as trillions of dollars.

Sound familiar?

And even though Y2K came and went without directly impacting the economy, the belief that there would be Y2K disasters, most definitely had a major economic impact.

Yardeni and all the other Y2K doom-and-gloomers convinced hundreds of thousands of Information Technology (IT) managers to upgrade their hardware and software unnecessarily.  John Gantz, Chief Research Officer at IDC estimated that at least $70 billion was wasted on Y2K work that wasn’t really necessary.

More importantly, the glut in IT spending prior to Y2K created a corresponding trough in spending after Y2K which contributed (along with the dot-com bust) to a collapse in high tech stocks, helping to trigger a recession.

So with Y2K, you had a real (but minor) problem, characterized by leading economists as a major threat, creating a misconceived fear which drove panic behavior, resulting in an economic meltdown.

What if much the same thing is happening now?

What if the sub-prime problem is real, but the economists are simply pulling numbers out of their butts, causing everybody to assume it’s the huge thing, which is causing the banks to fail, which is, in turn, causing the lending crisis, which is causing the stock market to crash.

I’m not saying that anyone is doing this on purpose, mind you.  I’m only pointing out that economists can be suckered along with everybody else.  Like Yardeni and Y2K.

On one level it doesn’t matter, of course, because even if the source of the fear is irrational, the impact of that fear is all too substantial.

But if it turns out that I’ve lost 25 percent of my net worth because a bunch of economists went all “chicken little” on us, I’m going to be royally P.O.-ed.

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    Kasper Retvig

    10/18/08 | Report as spam

    RE: Could the Meltdown be a Hoax?

    Geoffrey I couldn't agree more and I think you have nailed the situation with this post.

    Yes there is a problem (sub prime loans) and yes it is serious but it is something we can manage, control and cut our losses.

    However all these morons screaming about crises and panic think they are so clever and foreseeing the problem and helping to fix when in actual fact they are doing the exact opposite.

    They are creating so much fear that the crisis they have created will actually come true. Because people are so scared that they are selling all their stock and assets when the market is at the bottom.

    Also the media in trying to rescue their business and bad business model are constantly searching for selling panic and "the world is ending" stories are not helping.

    In the end the media will sell their newspapers, the economists will become TV stars (for 15 min). The banks (that caused the real problem in the first place) will be bailed out by the fed with money payed by your average tax payer. The same tax payer will loose his pension fund because he was scared into selling his stock at rock bottom.

    And the CEOs of the banks, hedge funds etc will laugh their head of because they didn't loose personally and they will now buy all the stock dead cheap.

    So if every body would just shut up, relax and stop screaming panic panic panic and sell sell sell. This economic problem could be fixed instead of turning into a crises that it is not.

    Unfortunately I don't think they will because this opinion will not be heard because its not interesting news.

    So its funny people always say "yea we failed but at least we learned from it" no! actually that is not true. Sadly people rarely learn a whole lot from their mistakes.

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    smartinvestor

    10/19/08 | Report as spam

    RE: Could the Meltdown be a Hoax?

    I think you are somewhat correct because uneducated investors and most of the general public,don't know how the stock market behaves. The stock market goes up and down. It looks for support and resistent points. Last year the dow jones was at 14,000 so it was imposible for the dow to continue on an uptrend it needed to come down to his support point 8,000 point. Remember support is at the bottom resistance is at the top. And also good investorst can identify how each sector is doing (airlines, oil companies, car companies, real estate and now banks) everything is monitor by sectors. There are companies that are doing real well, report goog earnings however once they reach their 52 week high, there is a reversal. They reach the resistent point and they start going on a downtrend. So I think we're fixing to get into a reversal and start heading into an uptrend. Some analyst had estimade the dow will get to 23000 by 2011. And by 2012, there will be another major reversal like we are experiencing right now, but that's how the mariket behaves and it's being behaving since the 1700's.

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    DynaMo13

    10/19/08 | Report as spam

    RE: Could the Meltdown be a Hoax?

    Mr. James you should be careful, the last
    person to state something similar was lambasted
    by the media.

    http://www.newsweek.com/id/145421

    I was just thinking the other day that due to
    the 24 news cycle world we live in today, we
    want our leaders to be good at fixing the
    immediate 24 hour crisis but in doing so, we
    elect leaders with the crisis du jour in mind
    but not think about if they can fix the next
    series of 24 hour crises. The reason I bring
    that up is because in the link I posted, I
    chuckled at reading this "At a time of $4-a-
    gallon gasoline (or more)", now I will be
    honest I wouldn't have predicted the price of
    gasoline to take a nosedive but I do think that
    panic mongering does occur. We live in a
    hyperbolic chamber.

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    Geoffrey James, Sales Machine

    10/20/08 | Report as spam

    RE: Could the Meltdown be a Hoax?

    QUOTE: Mr. James you should be careful, the last
    person to state something similar was lambasted
    by the media.


    I've been there already. In 1998, when I explained in Upside magazine, that Y2K disasters were a hoax, I received death threats from readers who claimed that I was endangering civilization by convincing people not to take precautions against the coming apocalypse.



    In any case, I'm not sure it would be total disaster if Sales Machine got some coverage in Newsweek.

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    rushmore

    10/20/08 | Report as spam

    RE: Could the Meltdown be a Hoax?

    Your instinct is probably correct. I was involved in the Y2K "crisis" and the control systems did not have any issues because of the date change. There was a greater risk in the accounting systems but those would create problems that could be corrected later.

    There is a real problem, of course. One cause is the legal system put in place by our governments over the las couple decades make it tough for mortgages to be renegotiated. The current mortgages can't be renegotiated without risk of lawsuits for reducing the yields. Nice idea to keep a few from selling high rate mortgage securities selling them to someone else who gets stuck with the lower returns. Laws and regulations have unintended effects.

    The other rule is the mark to market rule. It exaggerated the effect by forcing companies to write down their portfolio to values well below their likely real value when the cycle turned south.

    Government regulations over the last few decades designed to promote mortgages for people who can???t afford to repay them are another piece of the puzzle. There are more factors that may not of been completely identified yet.

    The news media may be a bigger factor than has been mentioned before. They are not in the business of providing news any longer. They are story creators. The more hype they can put in a story the better for their sales. They perceive that real news doesn???t sell as well as logical and balanced journalism. Reports are slanted either to the far left or far right depending on their bias. Fox news tends to have mix. They don't seem to be always in the middle as they claim but do include a mix of far right and far left along with some balanced reports. Perhaps a little more journalism may account for their better ratings than some other big networks.

    The media is a major factor in creating bubbles and this current "crisis" has all the markings of another bubble but maybe a reverse bubble this time. Looking like a great buying opportunity in the stock market.

    It would be a good time for lawmakers to remove some laws and regulations that created some of these unintended consequences. But that is probably too complex for our current government process.

    Most new laws just make things more difficult for the honest people rather than restricting the dishonest ones. Truth in advertizing laws may be a slight exception in some respects. The effect on honest ad copy writers is they have to check more carefully. The dishonest ones have to be more subtle making it harder for us to detect false advertizing. So in that case the harder work falls on the customers. The dishonest advertiser who doesn???t get caught also has an easy time.

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    miketodd

    10/20/08 | Report as spam

    RE: Could the Meltdown be a Hoax?

    Don't forget, too, that we're in an election cycle; some candidates (and some media) will play something like this for all it's worth.

    Remember in '92 when we were convinced by Bill "It's the Economy, Stupid!" Clinton and sympathetic journalists that we were in a recession. After Clinton won, Peter Jennings then told the nation that it looks like we weren't really in a recession after all.

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    ndlicht1

    10/20/08 | Report as spam

    RE: Could the Meltdown be a Hoax?

    The sky is falling creates action. Frankly, thats why wall street is crashing. If you tell the public that something is true about our economy, we step up to the plate and act out the result, the predicted result!

    In 1929, as a bank crashed, pannic set in. Money runs caused inability to deliver funds and they all crashed. Today, with FDIC, we are protected. Why the fear?

    I agree. I am very ticked off about tactics that tell us of dom, can not back what they say, but because "experts" say its dooms day then we act like it is doomsday.

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    psarvos

    10/20/08 | Report as spam

    RE: Could the Meltdown be a Hoax?

    Remember, perception IS reality! So, I find your argument very compelling although, like everyone else, I'm not sure what can be done about it; other than to take solace from Warren Buffett and others who are preaching the wisdom of being rational about things over the long term, even though others are panicking in the short term.

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    ocinc87

    10/20/08 | Report as spam

    RE: Could the Meltdown be a Hoax?

    Since the bail-out / infusion of cash to banks for immediate and future lending, can anyone of you tell us loyal readers of one large loan approval and true distribution of funds to the borrower that has occured? Can you name one Fortune 500 company that has been given these "hard to get loans" so that they may be able to pay payroll? Please advise as we all wait for the "implementation of the bail-out." My bet is that all majority shareholders of the financial institutions and investment houses get every dime of the bail-out money, one way or the other.

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    lpdela13

    10/20/08 | Report as spam

    RE: Could the Meltdown be a Hoax?

    I've been saying this all along. I feel that the sub-prime mess has been the excuse to manipulate the market down so that great profits can be made on the rebound. The market was over inflated to begin with and needed some "truth" to the numbers. It couldn't be artificially tanked without a "true" cause. The economy hasn't been that bad. People need to listen to people on the streets doing the business and not the talking heads to understand this. Companies are still in business and making profits to boot. So how does Wall Street justify crushing the values of companies that are still performing?

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    Telamar

    10/20/08 | Report as spam

    RE: Could the Meltdown be a Hoax?

    Well it is fun to read all of the above and I totally agree with you all, but if we are all so wisely cynical about this - how come the economists, media and politicians are still leading the lemmings to the cliff? Our govt. is busy telling us we are in a very strong position in NZ, not exposed to sub prime and banks totally safe and yet we are in recession and our exchange rate has tanked against the currency responsible. You guys are right, logic and evidence have little to do with reactions at present, what's to be done? Maybe if the media lambasts Mr. James enough for this blog enough people will take note to see some sense and get a reality check going. Thanks for getting people thinking everyone.

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    bitfarmer

    10/20/08 | Report as spam

    RE: Could the Meltdown be a Hoax?

    The hoax is the *assets* all these banks have (had) on their balance sheets.

    The credit derivative risk is reasonably estimated to be 62 trillion - if that number seems ridiculous - that is the ridiculous amount of leverage that's been applied to packaged debt securities in the finance industry globally.

    Of course, you can make the argument that JP Morgan and Goldman invented and made markets in these derivative products in order to eventually take down their competitors (buy out on the cheap) Bear Stearns, Merril Lynch, AIG, etc.etc.

    But with entire countries now going bankrupt(Iceland) and entire countries nationalizing their banking systems (Ireland) then you must realize there is more going on here than just a financial hoax (or, perhaps we are beginning to realize the grand financial hoax of fiat money).

    Subprime was just the tip of the iceberg. There is a lot more debt-related securities involved now.

    Unfortunately, there is a real redistribution of wealth going on here, and the bailout is not going into our pockets.

    Forget Yardini, look-up the work of Neil Roubini. If you want a free education on this stuff from a non-doom-and-gloomer, lookup the work of Daniel Amerman: A credit derivatives risk primer.

    http://www.financialsense.com/fsu/editorials/amerman/2008/0917.html

    http://dex.tv/?v=9A317054

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    eric.hanson

    10/20/08 | Report as spam

    RE: Could the Meltdown be a Hoax?

    FINALLY! Somebody out there is really dialed in! If you want to really get to the bottom of this mess ask a few more questions, like, "Who benefits from the current circumstances?", and then follow the money trail.

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