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Should Sales Reps Start a Union?

July 22nd, 2009 @ 5:30 am

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Categories: Career Development, Management, Watercooler

Tags: Sales Strategy, Sales Force Management, Sales, Geoffrey James

Most sales pundits seem to believe that sales should be a profession.  I’m wondering, though, whether it might not make more sense for sales reps to start a union.  Not a union in the “look for the union label” way.  Maybe something more like the Screen Actors Guild or the Screenwriters Guild.

The members of those organizations are highly trained “professionals” but they’ve banded together to make sure they don’t get screwed over on a regular basis.  They make sure their people get paid fairly, get insurance, and can’t arbitrary fired.

A sales reps union or guild could do even more:

First, a union would force businesses to make painful decisions that top management is unable to make.  As I pointed out in the post “Sales Pros Know More than CEOs“, sales reps usually know more about what’s going on in the real world than C-level executives because reps deal with it on a day-to-day basis.

Second, a union would prevent abuses of power.  As exemplified in the post “Worst Sales Manager Contest,” there are plenty of sales managers who abuse sales reps.  If sales reps were unionized, this kind of corporate behavior would come to a screeeeeeeching halt.

Third, a union bring some well-needed democracy to the workplace.  According to the poll in the post “Should Businesses be Democracies,” 58 percent of Sales Machine readers believe that employees should be able to vote on strategy, corporate direction, and CEO compensation.

Fourth, a union could impose standards of ethics and competence which are entirely missing in the sales world.  It would increase the social status of a sales job if such jobs weren’t open to every bozo who can’t find a job doing something else and thinks he can sell for a living.

Finally, a union would force companies to realize that, if they don’t have sales reps, they don’t have a business.  I’m tired of hearing marketeers (for instance) claim that their job is as important as selling.  It not, and never will be, because, as I’ve repeatedly pointed out, if sales don’t take place, you’re outta business.

And there’s no question that sales rep union would have real clout because, well…, if you don’t have a sales force, you don’t have a business.  With all this in mind, I’m can’t help but wonder whether a little organizing might not be a good idea.

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UPDATE: Whoda thunk it? Turns out there actually is a guild (of sorts) for auto sales reps: The Legion of Loyal Lizards.  Their motto is: “Sell a car, Be a star, Go to the bar.”  Not exactly what I had in mind, but…

UPDATE (7/24): One of the comments suggested that our putative union should emulate other unions and get some “hired goons”.  Another comment suggested that the unions had a certain “bitchiness” about them.  My response was that we should therefore hire some goons who were a combination of RuPaul and Andre the Giant.  I’m happy to say that Sales Machine has managed to hire one already.  Here s/he is:

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    E. L. Sullivan

    07/22/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Should Sales Reps Start a Union?

    I nominate Geoffrey James for president.
    Bill me for my dues.

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    Geoffrey James, Sales Machine

    07/22/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Should Sales Reps Start a Union?

    Re Note 1:
    Ouch. Bad idea. Really bad idea.

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    Ellen48

    07/23/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Should Sales Reps Start a Union?

    I think "Union" is too strong a word - "Guild" is better as it leaves one wondering what that means. For all of us who are solo practioners, coming together in some sort of organization would enable us to buy insurance products of all kinds. That would be most beneficial. Also, since everyone needs to be certified in something these days, we could institute a certification process which would give us something to put behind our names!

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    mike_warren

    07/23/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Should Sales Reps Start a Union?

    An Association would be a better approach for many reasons. The idea of organizing sales pros has been around for a long, long time. Good luck.

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    xQx

    07/24/09 | Report as spam

    Seventh...

    The union could do what unions to best; deteriorate into an
    organisation that looks after its own interests, rather than
    that of its members, using hired goons to threaten physical
    violence toward anyone who threatens the union's lucrative existence.

    I've heard hand of unions that have opened EBA negotiations
    (recently!) with lines like "No, we are not here to negotiate
    terms. We want everything and will give nothing. That is
    what our members pay us for. And you will eventually agree,
    just wait, we'll show you why"

    No thanks, I'll negotiate with current and future employers
    the way I have in the past - with mutual respect - without
    that sort of 'help'.

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    Geoffrey James, Sales Machine

    07/24/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Should Sales Reps Start a Union?

    Re Note 5:
    I'm all for the "hired goons" idea. Except, because they'd be sales pros, they'd 1) dress really well and 2) have jedi mind powers.

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    bighit

    07/24/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Should Sales Reps Start a Union?

    YOU CAN'T BE SERIOUS! This is the most preposterous idea I've ever read on a blog. One of the top benefits of choosing the sales profession is to be above the fray. How about this idea: Entrepreneurs should band together to squeeze their clients for more money and cut back service at the same time! Seriously, this post has convinced me that the author has completely lost touch. The scariest part is that, so far, 40% of this audience thinks it's a good idea. Prediction: those 40% won't last long in this honorable profession. I just can't believe this post and I'm embarrassed for those who think unionizing sales is a good idea. Other than that I have no strong opinions on the matter.

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    Geoffrey James, Sales Machine

    07/24/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Should Sales Reps Start a Union?

    Re Note 7:
    Yeah, but what about those hired goons? I want some hired goons. My life won't be complete until I have some hired goons. Now that I think about it, where do hire goons? Is there a section in the "Positions Wanted" ads in the local newspaper? Something like:

    "Experienced goon willing to work for percentage of your commission. References available."

    But, then again, what if the goons started their own union? Then they'd have to hire their goons, too. And that would be circular logic. Or maybe they'd hire "uber-goons" who would be, I suppose, kinda like Hulk Hogan on steroids. (Just a second, isn't that redundant?)

    Talk about opening a can of worms? Or goons, in this case.

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    lylj2

    07/24/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Should Sales Reps Start a Union?

    Any salesman worth the salt in his blood earns his keep and his employer knows it. If you can't cut the mustard on your own, join a union and be hidden in the masses where you are all equal, all paid the same...Almost sounds like a communist society in miniature.

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    Geoffrey James, Sales Machine

    07/24/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Should Sales Reps Start a Union?

    Re Note 7:
    "How about this idea: Entrepreneurs should band together to squeeze their clients for more money and cut back service at the same time!"

    There's not a group of entrepreneurs on the planet who wouldn't do this... if they could get away with it.

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    Danno1

    07/24/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Should Sales Reps Start a Union?

    Not a great idea. It gives the impression of a group of mere skilled laborers and not that of professionals. Professionals exude a sense of purpose and are bound with some sort of mutual ethics. I believe there is a sense of marketing ethics out there just as there are medical ethics borne by those in the medical profession, business ethics by those in business, accounting ethics in the field of public and private accountancy and (although it sounds like an oxymoron) legal ethics. An organization does not have ethics but only those represented by the professionals in it. They bring their own and add it to the mix. A union, on the other hand, exudes...how can I delicately say it...bitchiness. It's more of an air of group entitlement, not professionalism.

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    Geoffrey James, Sales Machine

    07/24/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Should Sales Reps Start a Union?

    Re Note 11:
    "bitchiness"

    Now you're talkin'! I say we go with "hired goons" who are extremely bitchy. Sort of like a cross between RuPaul and Andre the Giant.

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    middleaged

    07/24/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Should Sales Reps Start a Union?

    Great idea.

    We've all worked for bad companies at some time in our past, and perhaps the union/guild could keep a record of employers.

    The good/fair ones get a star rating, and the bad ones get a black mark.

    The sales guy could spot the bad organisation/manager and avoid 6 months of pain in a bad job.

    Might make some of the employers behave a little more responsibly/fairly if they thought they would struggle to appoint new salespeople.

    I agree with the comments about standing on your own feet, but how about a bit of Caveat Emptor for new recruits.

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    E. L. Sullivan

    07/24/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Should Sales Reps Start a Union?

    Ok, Ok, The word "UNION" is bad!!! We should never speak it again.
    But come on guys and gals, I have worked as an independent for most of my life, bought or leased a new car every year, just to put way too many miles on it. Paid huge cell phone bills and plenty of interest on credit cards. Would it not be nice to be a member of a larger group that could help bring a little discount on some of that and help keep us up to date on training and new books. Put your egos aside for a second and think of a level of standard to meet to be considered by the best companys. (no more training the guy they hired from McDonalds yesterday for the same base as you thats taking half your territory.)
    I think the reason that there is not something like this already is that as sales pros (me too) it is all about the money and we don't really want the other guy to have a chance at being better. Its me, me, me!!! The Sales trainers could help with this too but its all about their program being the best, and would never admit that someone else may have training could be helpful also.

    And hey get me a break on that car this year!

    Lets talk.

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    E. L. Sullivan

    07/24/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Should Sales Reps Start a Union?

    Think of it more like what the Bar Association has done for attorneys.

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    Geoffrey James, Sales Machine

    07/24/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Should Sales Reps Start a Union?

    Re Note 15:
    I don't care what we call it as long I get to have some "hired goons."

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    Geoffrey James, Sales Machine

    07/24/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Should Sales Reps Start a Union?

    I have updated the post to show our first "hired goon" -- sent in by a clever reader. Check out the main post, at the bottom.

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    ingoodcompany

    07/25/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Should Sales Reps Start a Union?

    A lot of spirited comments. Interesting question, Geoffrey. I would guess that there are several issues here:

    1. Antitrust might be one reason sales folk couldn't band into a guild or union. These things tend to form subgroups around industries, and no one knows pricing like the sales reps.

    2. In many sales driven organizations, sales reps aren't even permitted by management to meet together on their own as a group. The main idea is often to pitt sales reps against one another competitively. To invite unionization may invite the kind of behaviors that destroy sales.

    3. Cats, like sales folk, don't run in herds. Sales people are agile, shrewd, independent, strongwilled, etc., etc. - not always the highly regimented types that look to teams and groups to provide strong progressive organizational professional or social support.

    Geoffrey, when I was in marketing some 20 years ago, I also wondered why the sales reps in the organization I was with at the time hadn't banded together for mutual support and development. They never did, even to save their jobs as the market was changing and they were slowly picked off one by one. It never even occurred to them to try to band together. Instead, they were pleased to get the additional territory assignment when the other guy lost his job. That is just not the stuff powerful guilds or unions are made of.

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    Geoffrey James, Sales Machine

    07/25/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Should Sales Reps Start a Union?

    Re Note 18:
    Very insightful. Still, I can't help but think that a few more "hired goons" could have turned the tide.

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