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Is Bad Marketing Killing Future Sales?

February 13th, 2008 @ 6:34 am

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Categories: Blogroll, General, Marketing, Rant, Sales Process

Tags: Software, Marketing, Hewlett-Packard Co., Recycling, Sales, Software Business, Printers, Hardware, Peripherals, Geoffrey James

Flaming Printer IdiotsIf you’re not careful, your marketing group might set up sales channels that ruin your firms ability to forge long-term customer relationships.

The software business is notorious for this. There are now many companies that let you have exactly one support telephone call for free. After that, they charge you $35 per service call. The reason that software vendors charge for support is that their software is inexpensive.

But that’s no excuse, because most problems with software are the result of poor design, lousy coding and slapdash testing. By charging for support, they’re simply passing along the expense to the consumer as a “we can’t develop good software” tax. What’s worse, because crummy software is almost always difficult to install, you generally end up burning up the free support before you actually use the product. Then you’re stuck.

Note that it’s a marketing decision to price the product low and charge for support. And it says: we don’t give a crap about you once we’ve gotten your money. And that’s not the best way to get repeat business.

But the most heinous example of customer-hostile support that I’ve ever encountered came, not from a software firm, but from what’s reputedly one of the best companies in high tech: Hewlett-Packard.

A couple of years ago, my HP desktop printer broke. I called the HP support line, got some guy from India, who tried to help me out, but we concluded that the machine (which was 6 years old) was a goner. He offered to sell me a new one, with a 10 percent discount if I returned the old printer for recycling. I said OK, since I needed a printer that worked. He takes my credit card data. So far so good.

About a week later, my new printer arrives, but with no information about where to send the old one. No address. No shipping label. Nada. So I figure that the “recycling” thing was just a way for HP to give me a discount without irritating their channel partners. Fine. I attach the new printer and throw the old one away.

Two months later, I see a charge from HP on my credit card for around $400. My first impression was that it was the charge for the new printer. However, I remembered vaguely seeing the charge on another statement, so I checked back and, sure enough, there was a charge for $400 from HP on the previous month.

I call HP to ask what gives. Turns out that because I didn’t return the old printer to their fictional recycling center, HP charged me the LIST PRICE OF THE OLD PRINTER. Now, I could understand, vaguely, if they had charged me the discount, or even for the resale price of a broken printer. But the LIST PRICE? That was more than I paid for the printer at the store when I bought it six years ago!

So I get a support supervisor on the line. He says that unless I send them the old printer, they won’t refund the charge. Period. No exceptions.

Now, I understand how businesses work, so I was pretty sure what was going on. Some HP marketing bozo probably thought this scam was a good way to add margin to the bottom line of the upsell program. Every time HP swindled some poor schmuck like me, the company was getting an extra $400 in pure profit. And since printers, like most computer equipment, sell with single digit margins, that’s a bump of at least a thousand percent. Enough to make a statistically significant uptick in the profitability of the entire program.

So the marketing idiot running the “recycling discount” program was probably walking into the monthly revenue meetings with a spreadsheet showing profits that were higher than the rest of the printer group. So he was looking like a big hero. Meanwhile, the policy was making customers like me furious. As you can imagine, I will never, ever buy ANY product from Hewlett-Packard again. And now I’m sharing the story with the world.

Please note that this arrangement had absolutely no benefit for HP’s sales group. The support guy from India probably got a commission on the new printer, but was probably blissfully unaware that he was setting a situation where a customer would get screwed. And certain the HP support staff weren’t benefiting — unless you think handling calls from angry customers is a benefit.

The only beneficiary of the program was the marketing guy who set it up, because that’s the only place where the program would have a financial impact.

The lesson here for sales professionals is clear: don’t let the marketing group set up policies and procedures that create angry customers.

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    CarolBlaha

    02/14/08 | Report as spam

    You're Right

    In my consultancy, we spend a lot of time on what differentiates a firm from their competitors to build a USP, or unique selling feature. People say immediately, "we have great service". People expect good service and its not a differentiator-- unless its in industries like the author describes-- and others like it like cell phone providers and airlines. So we drill deeper to find that USP. The way I describe the poor service as the author describes is there is always a "sales prevention" department. Cause its not marketing. Every company has one, which is why you can't just address sales but the company as a whole.

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    terrya69

    02/14/08 | Report as spam

    RE: Is Bad Marketing Killing Future Sales?

    Marketing seldom, if ever, gets to set any type of pricing for a product or
    service. Marketing does however have the dubious job of creating the public
    "positive" view to scrub clean the poor decisions made by manufacturing and
    accounting.

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    dahut

    02/14/08 | Report as spam

    RE: Is Bad Marketing Killing Future Sales?

    You bring up an excellent point - do the people who make the decisions on marketing, sales, rebates, etc., care more than to simply look like a hero.
    Sometimes, yes. But, sometimes no.

    Deaver Brown notes that when:
    A - You have too many people in the mix and,
    B. - When you start beating up on the little guys,
    then you're doing something wrong and headed for trouble.

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    hamlinrs

    02/14/08 | Report as spam

    RE: Is Bad Marketing Killing Future Sales?

    Wow! That was a horrible story. Is Microsoft exempt from the rule you mentioned that software companies sell cheap then charge for service? Their software certainly is not cheap, yet they still charge $15 per service call. It's a strange world when one of the most powerful, monopolistic companies in the world gets YOU to pay THEM to fix the problems THEY created. Of course, I think even their mountainous resources would be sucked dry if they had to shoulder the cost of dealing with their customers' complaints.

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    rthorsteinson

    02/14/08 | Report as spam

    RE: Is Bad Marketing Killing Future Sales?

    I think this has less to do with marketing and more to do with incompetent operations. To not have a merthod of returning the old printer is a failure of operations. To charge the full retail value of the old computer is again an operational issue. I have always had excellent results with HP, even their recycling programs.

    It is important for people to accept responsibility and this clearly falls on the shoulders of the operations people. For the record I am the Chief Operating Officer of our company and in our structure Sales, Marketing and Operations all come under my responsibility, so I am not favoring Marketing.

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    dulce19

    02/15/08 | Report as spam

    RE: Is Bad Marketing Killing Future Sales?

    I would like to agree but when I look deeper and more objective to the problem that often occurs also within our organization one can't blame marketing and or the marketeer involved. Yes, I see also that activities and procedures set up by marketing kills the sales especially in the long run. Some actions could create extra sales in the short run, but kills often the long term relation and therefore sustainable sales. However, it is not marketing to blame neither in this concrete case operations; it is the lack of system thinking; to see the whole companies goals as one system in combination. This often occurs with in "our case" the abscence of a strategic marketing plan that is a derivate of a more abstract plan.This plan should oversee the consequences of their actions for other departments and of course should be underpin the companies whole strategy; unfortunately marketing actions are too often "solo" activities. Marketing to blame, no often a result of a human and strategic gap. So lack of coordination.

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    tpgaynor

    02/18/08 | Report as spam

    RE: Is Bad Marketing Killing Future Sales?

    Last April 2007, I ran into the same guy. I had and still have some soft ware issues with a hp6180. tried to resolve the issue's by on line chat, then by phone. Success!

    The next day I recieved a call from some guy in India offering me a free replacement of my hp 6180. all expences paid freight to send the new one, freight to return the old one. for a moment I thought great! Now this is service!

    then he asked for my credit card.

    hold the phone...what do you need the credit card for? he explained security deposit. After aminute or two he became rude and somewhat beligerant that I would not give him my credit card number.

    I said I have a solution for this problem. Send me a letter
    on HP letter head recarding this exchange policy. ....The son of
    ....hung up on me. I tired calling back on the number that registerredon my caller ID but could not.

    So I wrote a letter to customer service, product support management and cc the ceo. not one responce.

    First I figured I was phished or something of that nature, but when no one from hp responed either. Oddly enough I began getting messages on my dell computer that my hp printer required updates. I followed directions which basically said "Click here for downloads." this download process began but each time Amessage came up that said "their are no updates available at this time"

    I copied and pasted the messsages and sent them to the same people I wrote to.....No Freakin responce!!! Not one.

    Printer seems to be good, sometime it has a mind of it's own spitting out blank pages, sometimes multiple times, but nothing I haven't been able to resolve.

    Long story I know but bottom line is when this one goes, regardless if it's a work horse or not I'll be searching out other manufactures.

    Nothin bad vibes about hp.

    Tim Gaynor

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