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Racism, Selling and Morality.

February 14th, 2008 @ 6:35 am

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Categories: General, Management, Rant

Tags: Children, Sadly.Racism, Recruitment & Selection, B2B, Sales Strategy, Human Resources, Workforce Management, E-business/E-Commerce, Internet, Sales

A couple of days ago, I posted a poll “Would You Sell to a Racist Bigot?” As I expected, there were plenty of people who were either racist themselves, or willing to put their distaste for racism aside in order to make a buck. Doesn’t surprise me a bit. Sadly.

Racism has recently become a big issue for me. Before I explain why, here’s some personal background.

I grew up in areas of the country where racism had no social stigma. For example, the local all-white church put on minstrel shows in black-face to raise money. My sister went to an all-white school where they bused the white kids past the all-black school, while the white kids yelled the “N” word out the windows of the bus. Her classmates cheered when they heard that John Kennedy was shot — because they hated his support of civil rights.

It gets worse. The men who ran the local (all white) Boy Scout troop were also in a group that re-enacted civil war battles… on the confederate side. Years later I found out that, during one re-enactment that involved overnight camping, they ran across a random black youth and beat him up in a way that probably resulted in an inability for him to have children. Apparently in some spirit of sick fun.

Despite my surroundings, I wasn’t raised as an explicit racist. My parents were upper middle class liberals who supported the civil rights movement. As a result, I managed, for years, to minimize all that garbage that went on around me. Because explicit racism became less socially acceptable, I managed, like plenty of other people, to pretend that race really didn’t matter any more.

All of that has changed in the past two years. You see, although both my wife and I are Caucasian, we now have two children who are Black.

Suddenly, I’m extremely aware that there are still people out there — of all skin colors — who are racist and violent (check out the Southern Poverty Law Center). This is serious stuff. There are parts of the country where I would not even THINK of traveling with my family, because I don’t want them exposed to the filth that I saw when I was a kid.

At some point, I’m going to have to explain to my children why the color of their skin (something that’s genetically insignificant) is such an incredibly big deal. The fact that my children will almost undoubtedly encounter racism in the workplace — both for “being black” and “acting white” — makes me want to puke. I don’t have any answers, but I do know this:

There is no way in hell I would EVER have a close business relationship with somebody who promotes the idea that my children are subhuman.

The responses to my original post surfaced three arguments, which I will now answer:

  1. You unknowingly do business with racists all the time; how is this different? Selling B2B at the CEO level means building a mutually-beneficial relationship. Relationships imply intimacy; buying at a store from a skinhead clerk does not. I’m not going to use my experience and talent to make an evil person significantly more successful. Period.
  2. You should cut the deal if you need the money to feed your children. That’s an artificial argument. The beauty of knowing how to sell is that you can always find another job. Which means you’ve got the power to decide whether you’re going to sell to somebody or not. If you’re afraid to get another job, then you’re adding physical cowardice to moral cowardice.
  3. You should cut the deal if it’s the policy of your company to sell to everyone. Once again, that’s artificial. If your company requires you to work in a situation of intimacy with somebody whom you find morally repellent, then you should find another job. Because if they’re doing business with that guy, they’re just as bad as the racist.

There’s a bigger principle here. While I understand that businesses are essentially amoral undertakings, that doesn’t mean that, as individuals, we are excused from the consequences of supporting morally reprehensible business practices. When businesses do amoral things (Yahoo turning in Chinese dissidents comes to mind), the people who made the decision should be held accountable.

If you’re in sales, YOU’VE GOT THE POWER to decide where you work and who you work for and who you sell to. Take that power and use it to make the world a better place.

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    marybaum@...

    02/14/08 | Report as spam

    Bravo!

    It's time we learned -- again -- to do business with integrity. Whether it's
    dealing with racism or the other bigotries, or the kind of swindle you
    described in your HP printer-return post, the idea of business as one big
    game of get-it-while-you-can has gotten awfully old.

    Personally, I find it exhausting. On a bigger scale, I think the last seven years
    have shown it unsustainable -- once the biggest fish have eaten up everything
    in sight, there's not much left to run an economy on.

    Thank you for promoting the novel idea of doing honorable business with
    honorable people.

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    bkoviak

    02/15/08 | Report as spam

    RE: Racism

    Very well said. I tell close clients all the time that I too get to pick who I work with, and that I work with them, because I like working with them.

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    Geoffrey James, Sales Machine

    02/15/08 | Report as spam

    Being selective

    Yes, I think there's a real advantage to being selective. People value relationships more when they realize that you're not the kind of person who has relationships with any and every body.

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    adaiyeg

    02/15/08 | Report as spam

    Racism in Business

    This is a remarkable article that I am happy to have posted here on BNET. That this issue is finally being discussed in an open forum gives me relief that we will no longer tolerate racism in business and I now have hope for all of our children's future. Certainly we have much work to do, but that it is being discussed in so very powerful. I appreciate the author for his courage.

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    Ldmase

    02/15/08 | Report as spam

    RE: Racism

    I'm glad that you made your point loud and clear. Because what you said is very true. I will not support or empower anyone who is a racist. By doing so will only make them even more powerful, and thats something we do not need in America.

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    bighit

    02/15/08 | Report as spam

    RE: Racism

    May we please, once and for all, judge people by the content of their character?

    Racism is a form of mental illness. Constantly griping about it only fans the flames of the sick.

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    Geoffrey James, Sales Machine

    02/15/08 | Report as spam

    Mental Illness?

    Relegating racism to the status of a "mental illness" absolves society from doing anything about it, because a mental illness is a personal aberration. And pretending that it will go away if not confronted or discussed is dead wrong. History proves that the opposite is the case.

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    harold1608

    02/15/08 | Report as spam

    RE: Racism

    My wife and I also adopted two Black children. We have had them since their birth and our world has never been the same, however I would not trade it for anything. Adopting them opened my eyes to issues I otherwise would pass over. A very close friend of mine who is Black said it profoundly: "Remember, from this day on you and your family will be classified as a minority."
    I avoid dealing with bigots by being the one to close the door on a possible sale, some business is not worth pursuing.

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    Remy Bertrand

    02/15/08 | Report as spam

    RE: Racism

    Nice paper Geoffrey. I had a similar experience when I married in France to someone with North-African ancestors. It felt like a very different country all over the sudden, and quite an ugly one for that. White people who think that black people are over sensitive should all try changing skin colour for a day.

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    ingoodcompany

    02/15/08 | Report as spam

    Rosa Colored Glasses

    Rosa Parks and thousands of minorities in Montgomery dealt with their public transit system's racism and bought bus rides to work daily until an opportunity came along to make a difference, peacefully, and without retribution or retaliation.

    You might be of the opinion that Rosa Parks must have been sacrificing her principles every day of her life that she rode those busses to work so she could "make a buck", until she was just too tired to do so any more. That's not the argument I would make.

    Its more than being about "making a buck." So, you wouldn't sell insulin to a diabetic KKK member to make or keep them well and healthy? You can do better than that, Geoffrey, even as angry as you seem to be over the racism you've personally witnessed. There are those greater than you and I who have argued that compassion and love should have a bigger place in the world than reciprocation of wrongs.

    A sale is a mutually beneficial win-win transaction. Buyer and seller should profit equally from it, margin in exchange for value, and can therefore be considered a fair transaction at worst. Both buyer and seller are empowered. If the end result of a transaction with a racist is fairness, then does it really matter which end of the transaction you're on?

    And, please, don't confuse issues. I am not saying everyone should run out and buy 'blood diamonds' or load up on cheap fruit harvested using slave labor. Of course not. That's an entirely different issue. But ethical business behavior can indeed create some challening decisions. This one goes way beyond 'making a buck'.

    It is a slippery slope to bar the door to goods and services simply on the basis of differing beliefs in the manner you suggest. Doing that is the equivalent of returning evil-for-evil, exactly the type of retribution and retaliation that civil rights activists worked so hard to avoid in the 50s and 60s.

    You've got to be the bigger person. That was the premise that changed India, America, South Africa and other places for the better, not retaliatory strikes. Racism still exists. But compassion and love are stronger, and have prevailed.

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    Geoffrey James, Sales Machine

    02/15/08 | Report as spam

    History Lesson Needed.

    My friend, you are confused. Boycotts have played a major role in all the examples that you cite. Refusing to help a scumbag to become more rich and more successful is like a boycott, but better, since boycotts injure innocent business owners as well as guilty ones.

    Following your logic, it was morally correct -- or at least morally neutral -- for IBM to sell data processing equipment that helped the Nazis execute the holocaust. I disagree. I think it was morally outrageous.

    Once it became clear what was going on in Germany (and it was pretty clear early on), ALL U.S. businesses should have immediately refused to do business with them. But, truth to tell, most U.S. business owners were more like Henry Ford than Oscar Schindler.

    And, speaking of Schindler, Steven Spielberg was completely correct, and should be praised, for refusing to participate in the Beijing Olympics unless China changed its position on Darfur. 200,000 dead and China is still blocking the U.N. from taking significant action. Outrageous!

    Perhaps you're worried that there will be so many agendas floating around that nobody will be able to do business because of a plethora of political litmus tests. I wouldn't worry too much about that, if I were you. Here's why.

    In the real world, money almost always trumps morality. Consider this: my original poll is running about 50%/50%. But talk is cheap...and so are poll clicks. If there were real money on the table, I have no doubt it would be 95%/5%, with 95% cutting the deal and taking the commission.

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    ingoodcompany

    02/15/08 | Report as spam

    Rosa Colored Glasses

    No confusion over history on this end. Its easy to understand, for example, that while Dr. King advocated for a boycott of the racist transit system, he would not have refused to sell insulin to the diabetic bus drivers who were racists, if he had it to sell. King and those protesters chose to think differently than those who were enemies of freedom, not responding in kind. It is why they chose to boycott an institution, and not to retaliate in any fashion against the individual drivers or those in management.

    The difference is clear to those whose thinking is not clouded by emotion. At its core, the boycott was about the right of all passengers to be given equal service for equal bus fare, not about whether the drivers and management were racists or how they felt toward Negro passengers. They were able to separate the problem from the people. Its a key conflict resolution step that is taught as a matter of course these days.

    As a result of that deft stroke, what bus drivers think or feel today is irrelevent. People just get on, pay and sit down, and the driver just drives, and that is as it should be. The transit systems and the passengers have a 'don't ask, don't tell' policy regarding racism on either end of the transaction.

    Similar to a boycott, there is the issue of embargo or sanction against institutions and governments as a matter of principle and policy. There were quite a few American business owners that chose not to do business in apartheid South Africa, even before the U.S. government adopted that as a policy. Perhaps that's how you see the B2B issue. True, those decisions were clear and laudable choices not to support a regime with different philosophical views. But the sanctions weren't aimed at individual leaders, or even individual businesses in South Africa. The key wasn't just how the government leaders felt. It was their actions, not just their beliefs, which resulted in the death and suffering of millions. Apartheid was more than just separation of the races, or a dislike of them. It was the oppression and persecution that went with it, as it was in the ghettos of Germany as well.

    There is belief, and then there is acting on belief. Just be careful Geoffrey. You're on a slippery slope here. If you observe purely the fundamental nature of the actions of two opposing parties, and cannot tell the difference between them, then their beliefs don't really matter. They're both in the wrong. Refusing to sell to someone when their beliefs are different than yours...like not selling insulin to a diabetic KKK member, is merely an escalation, not the answer to the fundamental conflict.

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    davidevery

    02/15/08 | Report as spam

    RE: Racism

    I applaud Mr. James for bringing this discussion up in a public forum. That takes courage. We need more of that in the world. Keep up the good work.

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    FELDMAN3100@...

    02/15/08 | Report as spam

    RE: Racism

    I agree with your intentions, but your methods miss the point. No matter what you do, bigotry will still be there. If you want to protect your children from bigotry, teach them to be strong in the face of all attacks, racist or otherwise.

    Bigotry is a reflection of low self esteem. Bigots are making the statement, "I am better than you because you are ______, and I am not" There is a never ending supply of people with low self esteem. That is why you cannot eradicate racism.

    As Eleanor Roosevelt once said,???No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.??? You have no control over other people, but you do have control over your own attitude. That is the only thing that will protect your children from racism.

    As far as doing business with a racist, don't be so quick to refuse. If your customer is an individual and you do not like him, fine; that is one person refusing to do business with another person. However, most customers today are businesses represented by individuals.

    As a salesman, you are there because your product or service will improve the operation of the whole business. There is a whole team of people at the company you represent whose jobs depend on your making the sale, and a whole team of the customer's employees whose jobs depend on being more competitive.

    By refusing to do business with a bigot, you are hurting 2 teams of people when in reality you thought you were hurting only the bigot.

    Thank You,
    Lee Feldman

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    Geoffrey James, Sales Machine

    02/15/08 | Report as spam

    OK...

    If I understand you correctly, it was a good thing that IBM sold data processing equipment to Hitler because:

    1. The German government's clerical staff needed better data processing equipment to successfully achieve their career goals.
    2. The IBM workers needed that additional revenue in order to ensure profitability and continued employment.

    So IBM's sales reps (who were apparently well aware that the equipment might be used for concentration camps) were doing a good thing by not letting down their own team -- and helping the other team to be more successful.

    A win/win deal...

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    FELDMAN3100@...

    02/16/08 | Report as spam

    yes but,

    When they shipped the equipment, they would have installed tracking devices which would have allowed Allied bombers to pinpoint the location of those military installations which used the computers etc.

    You need to watch more movies.

    Thank You,
    Lee Feldman

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    krspf

    02/15/08 | Report as spam

    RE: Racism

    You say that skin colour is genetically insignificant - the genetics of groups of populations are often expressed in the form of physical differences ie skin colour, size, shape - please review your genetics. On another note, I understand your abhorrence to racial discrimination, but are you not discriminating yourself? Shouldn't the moral attitude be to educate and not create further secular groups, thus reinforcing the "them v's us" mentality? Food for thought....

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    Geoffrey James, Sales Machine

    02/15/08 | Report as spam

    Don't beat around the bush...

    You say that skin colour is genetically insignificant - the genetics of groups of populations are often expressed in the form of physical differences ie skin colour, size, shape - please review your genetics.

    Exactly what are you saying here?

    Either skin color is genetically significant or it is not. If skin color is significant, then it must be significant in some meaningful way -- either better or worse than not having that skin color.

    So, are you saying that my children are sub-human or super-human?

    Just curious.

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    krspf

    02/15/08 | Report as spam

    re: Racism

    James - "Sub/Super Human?!" Please show some maturity. You have totally missed the point and you are focusing on a percieved personal slight as to your adoptive children's genetic qualities. The purpose of the statement was to show that it is the genetically significant. Your choice of words were incorrect. The important point, was that you are now positively reinforcing discrimination - by discriminating against racists. I suspect that your experience during the middle of last century has coloured your objectivity to the word discrimination, because you are now showing classic signs of discrimination and perpetuating the cycle. Is any type of discrimination right? I think not. Education is the key, not hate/isolate them because they are ignorant of the facts. Can you see the circle, James?

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    Geoffrey James, Sales Machine

    02/15/08 | Report as spam

    Not to belabor the obvious.

    There is no moral equivalent to discriminating against racists for being racists (a matter of choice amenable to change) and discriminating against somebody because of the color of their skin (a matter of chance that's permanent).

    And it's not a "circle." Racists aren't racists because the objects of their racism are discriminating against the racists. That's the goofiest idea that I've heard in years.

    As for educating people... if somebody I really needed in order to be more successful flipped me off and walked out of the room because I told a racist joke... that would be getting an education of the most valuable and vivid variety.

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    krspf

    02/16/08 | Report as spam

    Different of opinion or pushing own agenda?

    What exactly do you sell that makes you the most influential person to making "people more successful"? And who exactly are your clients, who would be making such inappropriate conversation? Is "flipping the client off" and walking out really productive in changing the mentality of the business world or just a childish response? Is the American business world so archaic that racial discrimination represents a real cultural issue. Or is it that the author is making a mountain out of a mole hill and pushing his own agenda?

    In essence, we all agree that racism is bad for business and should not be tolerated. Where we don't agree, is the that proposed solutions are not entirely workable, ethical or moral and the issue is so much larger than the scope of the article and subsequent opinions.

    However, as a moderator and contributor to B-Net.com, I find your professionalism lacking. All of your posts in regards to this topic are very dismissive and somewhat arrogant, when opinions expressed do not align to the authors. You are also promoting discrimination. Any form of discrimination regardless of the morality of the situation, is still wrong. As you have indicated yourself, a basic human right is to be treated the same as the person next to you, regardless of skin colour, race, political persuasion, opinions, education, intelligence and the list goes on.

    "Ingoodcompany" has an enlightened view of the world, which you would do well to heed. Let go of your hate/anger/guilt. This is where discrimination starts, retaliation for past deeds and what next - White collar red neck hangings?

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    ingoodcompany

    02/17/08 | Report as spam

    Thank you....

    Thank you for your kind comment.

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    ingoodcompany

    02/16/08 | Report as spam

    Snake Charmers

    A very famous leader once poignantly quipped, "If your great grandfather was bitten by a snake, and your grandfather was bitten by a snake, and your father was bitten by a snake, and you were bitten by a snake, could anyone refer to you as 'racist' for warning your children to stay away from snakes?"

    We've got a long way to go in this country, indeed, on this planet. Some would argue that we've come a long way. But as I'm fond of telling my children, "It doesn't matter how long you've been driving, if you can still see where you left in your rear view mirror, you haven't come very far." We can still clearly see the same old behaviours of the 1950s and 60s when we take those quick glances behind us, can't we!

    Its quickly rolling up on a half century since the 1964-65 Civil Rights and Voting Rights Acts. It feels like America has been driving along that open road for a long, long time. And yet, here we find ourselves discussing the deep dismay and emotional struggle of a man who out of transcendent love and pure motives adopted two innocent children, and is now experiencing first hand the anguish and pain that regretfully goes with the turf. Black parents live daily with the knowledge that they can only warn their children and prepare them to face it, but can neither isolate them from it nor prevent the torment of it when the children see it and experience it for the first time.

    Welcome to "The Club", Geoffrey. You have my sincere commendation for enlisting, as opposed to being drafted. happy

    When one has a family, its much easier to understand why one never wants to even accidentally stand between a mother bear and her cubs, or between a bull elk and his harem. As adults, we cope when we ourselves experience any kind of brutality, physical or emotional, and we attempt to rationally walk the best and hopefully the highest road to resolving the conflict.

    But when our children are attacked, even subtly threatened, something different kicks in, and its not pretty.

    Geoffrey, anyone can understand why you're ready to hang the "We Don't Serve Racists" sign in your shoppe window. You truly do understand that at some time in the future that very racist may be the interviewer in your child's job hunt, or the loan officer for your child's first mortgage application, or the teacher in your child's classroom. Yes, 45 years down this road from 1964-65, racism is alive and well.

    As much as you'd prefer that there weren't any snakes in the garden, you're going to have to teach your children to become snake charmers, Geoffrey, like my daddy did, and like I did for my children.

    Perhaps coincidentally, its Black History Month. (They gave Blacks the shortest month!) Teach your children that although both M. L. King and Malcolm X were assassinated, King is the one they gave the holiday. He was charming them right up to the moment of his murder. Teach your children not to lose any sleep over what racists will do tomorrow. They'll do just what they've always done, nothing different, nothing new, same old tricks.

    Comedian Godfrey Cambridge long ago related that when a maitre d' informed him, "We don't serve Negroes.", he cooly responded, "That's OK. I don't eat them." Teach your children to adapt, to be smarter and more resourceful than their detractors.

    Teach your beautiful children that the reason the 1950-60s conflict resolution strategy succeeded to the extent it did was because it was something courageous, different, innovative, appropriate for the times, and problem-centric, not people-centric...precisely the opposite of racism. King may have dreamed of an end to racism, but while he was awake he worked to render it moot, to neutralize it, not to end it.

    Welcome to 'The Club', Geoffrey.

    - Rob Jones, CEO
    IngoodCompany

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    Kamau Jackson

    02/18/08 | Report as spam

    how can i keep this from going into my junk folder?

    Geoffrey, in my opinion has raised a discussion that's
    always relevant but I think it's too general to be raised
    in this venue. As a result, we get a mixture of apples and
    oranges-- which isn't an insurmountable problem-- until
    you squeeze them. Sorry I'm late.

    Elanore Roosevelt accords complicity to the victims as though
    parental instruction to pre-schoolers can offset the power of
    a society's cultural bias-- reinforced thru all its institutions.

    The notion that bigotry "will always be there. Just teach your
    children blah blah blah" echoes the same sentiment. Why
    will bigotry always be there? Why do the targeted children
    have to be raised in combat mode while others can just dream
    of Disney World and the tooth fairy?

    Racism is not an individual, prejudiced, Archie Bunker bigot.
    Racism is a race-based system of bigotry and discrimination
    that uses socio-economic and cultural institutions to deprive
    people of the full enjoyment of the benefits of (at a minimm)
    those protected by the U.S. Constitution. Either you support
    it or you resist it.

    Rosa Parks didn't challenge a bus driver. If it was an issue
    with an individual racist driver she could've just caught
    another bus.

    The driver, like the Nazi data processor (trying to feed his
    family-- oh, please) was a conscious enabler of racist public
    policy. That fact is borne out by the aftermath.

    The notion of enlightened responses to racism are easily
    pondered. What's difficult is the question the author
    asks... what is the correct ANTI-racist response?

    First let's keep it simple. Have you White-listed anyone lately?
    Does your company use Black-hat SEO tactics? All this goes on
    daily while overtly racist jokes are more rare. (I think...)

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    Geoffrey James, Sales Machine

    02/18/08 | Report as spam

    Racism Not Eternal

    In fact, racism is a fairly recent social construct.

    In the Roman Empire, for example, one skin color or country of origin was considered completely unimportant. What was important was your culture. If you behaved like a Roman, you were a Roman.

    Slavery in the Roman empire had nothing to do with race. Black masters in the African provinces might have hundreds of white slaves imported from elsewhere in the empire.

    I don't agree that racial humor is relatively rare. In my experience it comes up relatively frequently when white men of a certain age and certain background get together.

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    ingoodcompany

    02/18/08 | Report as spam

    Racism not eternal...

    The type of 'Made in the U.S.A.' racism is unique in history, but no longer unique to America. It was one of America's biggest exports over the last few centuries...even bigger than Levi's and capitalism.

    Racial humor is everywhere, but racist derogation of all kinds, including humor is widespread and in common use. And not just about Blacks. Though this discussion has pretty much centered on race, Blacks and Latinos are hardly the only ones impacted by bigotry. It is woven into the fabric of the nation, and is passed down through generations like a prized family heirloom.

    It will be a long, long time until it is completely out of fashion.

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    Geoffrey James, Sales Machine

    11/19/08 | Report as spam

    RE: Racism

    QUOTE: Though this discussion has pretty much centered on race, Blacks and Latinos are hardly the only ones impacted by bigotry.

    Indeed. Apparently it extends itself to stereotypes about sales professionals. See:



    http://blogs.bnet.com/salesmachine/?p=613



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