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Kiss That Cushy Marketing Job Goodbye

March 25th, 2009 @ 11:30 am

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Categories: Career Development, Rant, Sales Process, Sales Skills

Tags: Apple Inc., Ian P, Marketers, Sales Strategy, Sales Force Management, Marketing Research, Sales, Marketing, Geoffrey James

Due to the meltdown, companies that sell products and services will no longer be willing to pay marketers for unmeasurable activities.  At the same time, companies that buy product and services won’t be willing to deal with sales reps who can’t add value beyond information and order taking.  As a result, we are currently undergoing a “great extinction” of sales and marketing personnel.  (I describe this more fully in yesterday’s post “Sales & Marketing Jobs that Will Vanish.“)  Because this is a painful transition, some Sales Machine readers are in a state of denial.

Here are some representative comments and my response to them.

  • bighit’s comment: Have Harley Davidson and Apple no brand value? Surely Apple has brilliant marketing “engineers” and tacticians. They have also built loyalty because of an emotional connection with customers.
  • My response: Apple’s “brilliant” marketing engineers only seem brilliant when they have a brilliant product to sell.  Apple has a great brand because it makes great products, which is EXACTLY why people like Apple.  To make this point clear, here’s a gallery of Apple flops.  Apple’s “brilliant” marketers were completely unable to foist those turkeys on the public.  Good product=Good Brand; Bad product=Bad brand.  Period.
  • metabyte’s comment: There are still traditional or high profile industries that require traditional sales and marketing people. I can’t imagine people buying their private jet on the internet…
  • My response: In fact, many companies are scrapping ownership of private jets in favor of buying rights to use a variety of jets that are owned by a group of companies. This kind of transaction is easily handled over the web. I remember when people said that nobody would buy an automobile over the web. Now it happens all the time.
  • basil 7070’s comment: Will small to midsize companies which comprise 80% of the economy, have the means and the need to use outsourced managers for their customer’s firms? Particularly if they are so highly skilled and need to be paid well, will these companies put their sales and marketing budget towards “sales managers” or [find] less expensive ways to get their products and services into the hands of customers?
  • My response: An outsourced manager need not be present at the customer site. The point is that the sales rep takes responsibility for the results of the sale, rather than just the pre-sales consulting and solution building. Small companies can do this as good, or even better, than larger ones. Less bureaucracy to gum up the works.
  • josieka’s comment: this time you have got it wrong ,all organizations depend so much on the sales to generate their revenue , there are many departments that dont generate any income like accounts so to my thinking they will be the first to be shown the door and then the kast people might be sales, but i agree that marketers might be the first to be shown the door this is because there importance is seen when companies are doing better but not when its on its knees
  • My response: You’re correct. Marketing groups will go first, and sales groups will go last.  But go they will, except for the marketing quants and the sales reps who are able to won customer results.
  • Ian P’s comment: Although internet sales are growing rapidly in the B2B world this is not supplanting sales reps but is making them much more efficient. A rep who has been contacted through the internet knows he has a hot prospect (someone wanting to buy!) and a sale is much more likely.
  • My response: Exactly. If you have quantitative marketing (i.e. web generated leads) then you have better leads, which makes sales reps more efficient, assuming you have an offering that requires sales reps to close. If you don’t and it’s a commodity product, then the sale takes place on the web, supplanting the sales rep.
  • ematuco’s comment: Proof of the pudding? The article itself. Its title (selling an intriguing idea) and its impact (do you exactly know how fast your blood pulses because of this article’s implied threat)- explicitly proves that “unquantifiable” marketing is alive.
  • My response: What makes you think that I’m not measuring the impact of thiese post? Believe me, I have plenty of traffic statistics.  That data helps me hone my titles so that they describe the contents of the post more effectively.  In the future, all marketing activity will be measured in this way.

So I’m sorry, but the truth is that marketing jobs are going to become science-driven, and sales jobs are going to become results-driven.  Marketers are going to become more like engineers, and sales reps are going to become more like managers.  Products and services that can be sold over the web will be sold over the web.

Not to worry, though.  If you’ll stick with this blog — and read it every day — you WILL learn how to reposition and retrain yourself to win in the brave new world of post-meltdown sales and marketing.

But first you’ve got to get past, well…, the past.   That was then, this is now.  Let’s get to the next stage together, OK?

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    Ian P

    03/26/09 | Report as spam

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    Geoffrey
    I think that you are making your own 'peddling vs selling' mistake here. The internet is great for a quick hit sale and is the ultimate peddling tool. Everything paid for on the nose and delivered in double quick time - repeat orders are easily handled (see below) and cash flow is guaranteed through card payments.
    However in the serious B2B market where large contracts and big money are at stake then your sales representative is the person who visits the prospect, assesses him, gains his trust, establishes the basis for long term relationships and finally turns the prospect into a customer.
    The customer may well use the internet for repeat orders but this doesn't usurp the role of the rep. It takes away the need for a sales support team. (The wharehouse man does that role as he packs and ships the goods).
    My view is that the role of the salesman is to manage the fit between my company and the customer and ensure that we can grow together. I.E. He is there to reduce the risk to my business by ensuring the customer is sound, in business for the long term and that we are selling him what he really wants (and not his distorted idea of what we sell gained from fuzzy pictures and vague descriptions.)
    In addition the best reps act as customer links into my business, letting me know how the customer is changing, what his future needs will be and how I can change my business to grow with him (if I decide I want to!).
    All of this part is selling not peddling.

    I do agree that a large part of the future is internet based and this offers opportunities for the fleet of foot. Just as six years ago the internet was the best investment ever... until the bubble popped.

    I need to know if my big money customers are sound and long term. The internet is a long way off giving me peace of mind. It may well provide fancy statistics and hot prospects, but it is sales reps that get in there and do the real work.

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    tanham

    03/26/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Kiss That Cushy Marketing Job Goodbye

    Geoffrey,

    Nicely done, a topic to sink our teeth in...and or deny.

    Dead on... if 80-90 of all business in America are SMB's, they must to be smart, nimble and highly effective or DOA in this economy. And if this is true, where in this equation is marketing?

    I like your analogy of the engineers for marketing success in the future and managers for sales. Maybe it is the term manager or our perspective of that which is the mis-connect? AHello Managers sell... I am working a contract with a company that is over 5MM but under 15MM, they have a marketing company, actually they have had many. I was hired to design, recruit, train, incent, and coach (Manage?) a sales team. On the second day, I was given the task, by the CEO to "manage" the marketing agency. "I Can't understand what I am paying for each month, I am very frustrated. I hope you can straighten them out or tell me to fire them?" The solution, run them like they are a project based contract outsource service. No magic here, like sales, if you are not providing a solution, you may be part of the problem. Oddly, the only real approach I have taken is to set up an understanding that their results are based on concrete actions and delivery.Thankfully, this company got the message and moved immeditately to deliver in this manner. Everything the markeint companie does they have a project plan for, dates, actions, results. Clear, with designated responsibilites and if not, we meet and review, fix it and more forward. My mantra to them is we want our mutual success, this means we pay you and you do what you say based on visible concrete actions and output. This is the same model that we have developed with the sales team members. We all know it is not what we sold yesterday but what have you sold today. If selling is managing to exceed the client's expecatations, and in most cases, values that they believe they will gain, because we sold them on that, we have to manage to their success. Selling is evolving as a skill and profesion. I belive I learn something new and "ahaa" everyday from my sales team and our clients, hummm, is this sales 2.0 or just learning how to take the sales skills we have to an artful level?

    I propose that selling is not much different from when my father did it successfully. Selling value that will provide a solution to the client and managing to the end point, getting referrals, and addressing more challenges. The skill of selling is being able to use all the people and business skills we have to get to the end point, the sale and the client's realization of success. One last point, I do this work virtually and only visit our offices once a month as they are over 300 miles. And yes, the CEO is very happy to call me day and night, the only challenge in this model.

    Good selling!

    Geoff Tanham
    Decision2buy.com

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    jljohansen

    03/26/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Kiss That Cushy Marketing Job Goodbye

    Regardless of which jobs completely disappear from the economy, the point about quantitative marketing and results-oriented sales being the winners is correct.

    Some industries may continue to use traditional marketing and sales roles, and if people that want to punch the clock and collect an standard paycheck will take them.

    But if you want to get above the crowd, or if you want to be in a position to make more money even during the recession, then don't fight where marketing and sales are headed. Get in front of it and be there to take advantage of the new opportunities while competition is limited.

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    Geoffrey James, Sales Machine

    03/27/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Kiss That Cushy Marketing Job Goodbye

    Email from a reader:

    I am a web developer and a DBA. I also am part of the marketing dept. Looks like my company is ahead of the curve when it comes to marketing in the 21 century.

    Good for you. There is a lot of incredibly cool stuff going on in the quant area of marketing. Be thankful you're a part of it.

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    K2Colo

    03/28/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Kiss That Cushy Marketing Job Goodbye

    Woo-hoo, watching my market value go up in a down economy. Online marketing rocks.

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    W Byerly

    04/01/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Kiss That Cushy Marketing Job Goodbye

    Regarding "Apple?s ?brilliant? marketing engineers only seem brilliant when they have a brilliant product to sell." When did Product slip out of the 4 P's of Marketing?

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    W Byerly

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    RE: Kiss That Cushy Marketing Job Goodbye


    Regarding the comment "Apple?s 'brilliant' marketing engineers only seem brilliant when they have a brilliant product to sell." When did Product slip out of the 4 P's of Marketing?

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    Geoffrey James, Sales Machine

    04/01/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Kiss That Cushy Marketing Job Goodbye

    Quote from W Byerly: When did Product slip out of the 4 P's of Marketing?

    A better question would be: "When did Marketing begin to take credit for product design (a discipline for which they are untrained and unsuited) and why did top management let them get away with it?"

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