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Would You Take a Customer to a Strip Club?

August 5th, 2008 @ 5:30 am

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Categories: General, Management, Sales Process, Sales Tips, Watercooler

Tags: Women, Club, Patron, Gender And Diversity, Human Resources, Geoffrey James

Strip Club

A reader writes, in a comment to an earlier post:

I used to work at a company who was high-tech, but ultra “old boys”. As a non-old boy (neither old, nor boy) it was crazy. One day these “old-boys” were whispering outside my office. Mind you I was in some cases higher ranking as a “C” then they were - all VP’s - but man, never felt like it. I ventured a guess it was on purpose - since later that day a limo pulled up to the building, all 6 of my colleagues and the CEO got in and proceeded to go to the local lap-dance hall. That was just the start. Over the course of the next few weeks I had to hear the “hints” of their late night activities and be the only person in the room not in the know. This was just but one incident - needless to say, I didn’t last long there.

Needless to say, those bozos were being rude. However, I suspect that the reason that they were leaving you out was because they figured you wouldn’t be interested — or might be judgmental about it. They were probably right, but that doesn’t justify their behavior.

I honestly don’t know exactly how businesswomen should react to this kind of foolishness. Leaving the company is always an option, as is a sexual harassment suit, on the grounds of creating a hostile environment. There is also the approach (which I’ve seen one or two women do in the past) of jumping the limo and going to the club.

The experience would probably be tamer than you think. Strip clubs that cater to male patrons aren’t like the strip clubs that cater to female patrons, which (I’ve heard) can get extremely raucous.

By contrast, the atmosphere inside strip clubs that cater to male patrons has always seemed (to me, at least) to be more wistful than decadent. The guys drink expensive beers, look hungrily at women who normally wouldn’t give them the time of day, and offer the women money to pay attention to them. Depressing, actually.

Frankly, I think it’s idiotic to conduct business in a strip club. Still, this stuff goes on.

A friend of mine was doing IPO work with Japanese investors who wanted a piece of his firm. In the evening, they dragged him to a bondage club where the patrons (all male) actively tied up the performers (all female). No sex. Just bondage. Apparently, this is considered “normal guy behavior” after a hard day at work in Japan, at least in that investment firm.

Now, if you knew my friend well, you’d also know that the operative word in the above paragraph is “dragged.” So I’m not entirely certain that the Japanese guys were advancing their chances of closing the deal. But I digress.

I vaguely remember an episode of the “Happy Days” television show where the teenage boys sneak into a strip club and discover one of their fathers with a client. The father later explains that the client demanded it, and that he found the experience boring and embarrassing. That pretty much sums up how I feel about the matter.

Anyway, here’s my question for you:

Would You Take a Customer to a Strip Club?

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    ShanIng

    08/05/08 | Report as spam

    RE: Would You Take a Customer to a Strip Club?

    A senior VP at a technology company I worked for in the past was always taking customers and associates to strip clubs. He expensed dozens of lap dances along with expensive drinks. His behavior was merely annoying to me until he hired a stripper to work on my product marketing team, without letting me interview her. She was a bright young woman, but clearly dallying with the married SVP. Her presence demoralized our group. Thankfully, after a few months the SVP and his stripper went bye-bye in a corporate down-sizing. Within a month of the RIF, a new policy was written and distributed to all employees banning strip clubs, lap dances and peep shows from expense reports.

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    pesc

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    RE: Would You Take a Customer to a Strip Club?

    I don't think any legit company should allow expensing anything that you don't want to see in print -- in this day and age of phone-cameras it wouldn't take much of a picture under a headline "XYZ's new sales reps!" to kill a company's reputation.

    Did this kinda thing happen back in the day? Sure. But really it should go the way of the dinosaur, the 3-martiini lunch, and smoking stogies in your office.

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    pgaluszka

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    RE: Would You Take a Customer to a Strip Club?

    I once worked for a company in the South that was so conservative that managers were shocked when a sales staffer suggested a party at Hooter's.
    (If they meant the bad food, maybe I'd understand).

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    arenee

    08/06/08 | Report as spam

    RE: Would You Take a Customer to a Strip Club?

    To the author; calm down. The fact that business is conducted in a strip club may be silly but it shouldn't be offensive. Whisperings about such a trip don't constitute a hostile work environment and I find it hard to believe you were in anyway "victimized" by being subjected to it.

    The negative judgment of this practice is one of the reasons women don't get ahead. You aren't 'pitching in' wooing a new client and you aren't winning over the CEO. Sometimes it is important to get over yourself and the self righteous feminist mentality that the mainstream media has tried to instill in all of us over the past 30 years.

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    Geoffrey James, Sales Machine

    08/06/08 | Report as spam

    RE: Would You Take a Customer to a Strip Club?

    QUOTE: Sometimes it is important to get over yourself and the self righteous feminist mentality that the mainstream media.

    Hold on there, fella. I can understand why a woman would feel uncomfortable going to a strip club, because 1) if she just sits there, she looks like a party-pooper, 2) if she "gets into it", her co-workers are likely to envision a threesome.

    Making strip clubs off-limits for conducting business in a mixed-gender workplace isn't bowing to feminism. It's acting in a reasonable and chivalrous manner.

    Would you feel comfortable transacting business with a male dancer waving himself in your face?

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    R K

    08/06/08 | Report as spam

    RE: Would You Take a Customer to a Strip Club?

    Is it in poor taste to go to the strip club with a client? Probably

    Will your competitor take them if you don't? Definitely.

    We all deal with people we don't particularly like in business. This falls under that premise. If you want their money you play by their rules. If you want to take the high road just admit that you are willing to let someone else take the business.

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