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More on Obama and Business: Follow-up Interview With Robert Frank

July 7th, 2009 @ 6:00 am

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Categories: Academics, Research, Schools

Tags: Professor, Bond, Inflation, Currency & Foreign Exchange, Finance, Stacy Blackman

While many of my Tuesday interview posts have drawn varied reactions from you, the readers, none has caused quite as much uproar as the interview I ran a month and a half ago with Dr. Robert Frank, professor of management and economics at Cornell’s Johnson School of Management and author of The New York Times’ “Economic Scene” column.

In the initial interview, Frank shared his views on ways in which government spending, universal health care and a progressive consumption tax can help fix our economy. The post drew 111 comments, some supportive of Frank’s ideas, but the majority were dismissive – strongly dismissive. So it only seemed fair to invite Frank to react to some of your responses. Below are excerpts from our recent exchange.

BNET: Many readers commented on the divide between theory and experience; how do you respond to the idea that you need to have run a business in order to understand what’s good for business?

Frank: A professor of mine in graduate school told me a story about presenting testimony in a hearing and being asked by a skeptical opposing attorney whether he had ever met a payroll. As it turned out, before my professor decided to pursue an academic career, he had owned a printing business that had gone bankrupt. His answer to the attorney’s question was that he had not only met many payrolls, but had also failed to meet some.

I, too, ran a few small business ventures when I was young. For example, my brother-in-law and I once built children’s playground equipment and worked as home remodeling contractors. In graduate school, I built and sold stereo loudspeaker cabinets. Those experiences clearly don’t qualify me as an authority on running small businesses. But I’m not totally unfamiliar with that world, either.

BNET: Readers also expressed concern that some of President Obama’s policies will lead to massive inflation and the devaluation of the dollar.

Frank: Our unemployment rate is approaching 10 percent and our manufacturing capacity utilization rate is at its lowest level in decades. Producers can’t sell as much as they’d like to at current prices. If they raised their prices, they’d sell even less. So inflation poses no risk in the short term. The government’s first priority now is to end the downturn as quickly as possible, which means heavy monetary and fiscal stimulus measures are the right moves. The downturn will end, but it won’t end overnight.    

Those who view inflation as a current threat need to examine data from the bond market.  The current price of inflation-indexed bonds suggests that the market’s expectation for what inflation will be a decade from now is less than 2 percent, which is close to the Fed’s normal inflation target. Bond traders make their livelihoods on the basis of being able to make accurate predictions of future inflation. That’s no guarantee that they’re right, but skeptics need stronger arguments than they’ve offered so far to support their claim to the contrary.

Next week, I’ll share Frank’s responses regarding your comments on corporate bailouts, taxes and government intervention in business. Stay tuned.

 
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    sbmack

    07/08/09 | Report as spam

    More Academic Smoke and Mirrors

    Frank is still blowing smoke. Inflation is running wild, only it's hidden in the ginormous federal deficit. That can only be paid for by printing money or yes, raising taxes.

    Higher taxes is the hidden inflation. Reducing a wage earner's net income by raising his taxes has the same result as increasing the prices of goods and services. At the end of the day, he has less purchasing power. So even if nominal inflation is low, the taxpayer is still marginally poorer.

    Unless you live in academic la-la land, there ain't no free lunch...

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    L.M.

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    RE: More on Obama and Business: Follow-up Interview With Robert Frank

    Inflation is already here for consumer products. It is hidden by size changes and quality changes in products. For example, in the last year: The $1 that used to buy Pringles now costs $1.50. They added less than 1 oz to the can, but increased the price by 50%. Tuna decreased by 1 oz, but the price remained the same. Toilet paper has half the number of sheets as a few years ago, but the price has increased. The size of paper towels and toilet paper has also changed, resulting in paying more per square inch of the product. Budget clothing lines found at Walmart are lower quality, with unfinished cut edgs on knit shirts and thinner fabrics. Shoe manufacturers often no longer fully glue down the insoles of shoes, thus creating a lesser quality shoe that will need to be replaced sooner.

    Thus, many basic goods that consumers purchase have increased in price 50 to 100% when measured by price per ounce or price per square inch. By utilizing new packaging or by changing the quality of the product, many manufacturers have hidden the inflation of product prices. But consumers now have to purchase twice the amount of toilet paper or paper towels (or other products) in order to maintain their current consumption levels.

    In addition, there is a difference between a home-based business with minimal expenses and a brick-and-mortar small business, which has additional expenses and payroll. I've operated both, and it is very easy to be profitable with a home-based business. With a brick-and-mortar business, there are additional expenses which make it harder to remain profitable--such as payroll, additional insurance, building costs, employee supplies, etc. Many pieces of equipment can't double use in both home and office. So additional computers, printers, furniture, and other materials need to be purchased for out-side-the-home businesses.

    In other words, I highly doubt that Mr. Frank's "business experiences" allow him to know what it is really like to run a small business that is a primary and on-going source of income. The business ventures that he listed could easily be operated as side part-time ventures or out of his home. He stated, "In graduate school, I built and sold stereo loudspeaker cabinets." Thus, his expertise in actually running a business involves part-time side jobs, not full-time full-fledges businesses.

    And in Mr. Frank's story about his professor bankrupting his own small business just shows that the professor was *not* an expert in small businesses, since he was unable to keep one running. In order to be an expert, one not only needs to know what makes one fail, but also what makes one succeed. A large number of businesses fail each year, and I definitely would not want to get business advice from any of those business owners, as they are only experts in what they did to fail at operating a small business. I'd prefer to get economic advice from someone who knows what small business owners need in order to succeed.

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    David Hunkins

    07/09/09 | Report as spam

    RE: More on Obama and Business: Follow-up Interview With Robert Frank

    I still own a 35 year old company...and it marginally profitable during these times and it is a good ROI...as I am not working and living in Florida while it is being run in Norther NY State with quality people.
    Please read the following for a sure fire way to getting thru this over the long term and staying dry from there out.
    6-27-2009
    My primary Job now is to use my Wisdom years to help with our ECONOMIC SOLUTION ....as ROME IS BURNING!
    Are you willing to lend a hand to this SOLUTION?

    Could you do an Article that deals with the HOW .......I mean HOW to work toward FIXING our ECONOMIC SYSTEM. People with experience, such as we are, in Business Savvy need to help formulate an awareness....concept of correction...and a sure fire guide, in principle, to the long term solution.

    Again...it is all about the CONCEPT of our Economic Repair PROCEDURE that should be on the minds of all of us at all levels.

    Read my simple short form answer...does it agree with your?

    Simple steps would include:

    1) Economics 101Education from the Bottom up...which means families, then the local community....then the county...da..da...to the state...and then to the Country.

    2) Define ...in each case... the ENGINE(s) to FOCUS on that is the source of what makes the rest happen. Businesses call it PRODUCT LINE.

    3) Define..in each case.... what is not the engine and you have defined the OVERHEAD of your situation.

    4) Like any successful business.......FOCUS on the PRODUCT LINE...and Minimize the OVERHEAD.


    If every entity.....family, community, City..etc that each controls their destiny....would follow these simple rules of just good business practices...then we could maximize our talent affects.....import less and export more in the correct balance as all would be more efficient and the world would start functioning under a much more stable environment.

    Finally...this CONCEPT seems obvious...but I know that it is not being practiced or understood. An example would be the reporting on the job situation. The job market stats do not identify the TYPE of jobs. If jobs are in the PRODUCT LINE FOCUS...they are a plus....if the jobs are in excessive OVERHEAD catagories...then that jobs are negative in our Economic condition. Everyone wants their job back...that can not be..... as excessive overhead in our society has to be minimized....da.

    EDUCATE....EDUCATE...EDUCATE........so we can get going in the correct direction on all fronts.

    What is going on with the Stimulus Package is an attempt to provide a Soft Landing and build necessary OVERHEAD areas in our Society at the same time.
    NOW, the real work of getting our PRODUCT LINES IN ORDER with necessary OVERHEAD defined is ALL IMPORTANT.

    WE NEED TO START NOW! IF WE DON'T....WHAT YOU DESCRIBE AS A POSSIBILITY OF OUR DESCENT IS OBVIOUS TO ME.

    If you would like more information...examples etc. ...feel free to contact me at any time. I have run a small business for over 35 years...so I have experience in all of this. It really is all about understanding the basics of Economics...no gimmicks...real stuff that everyone can understand.

    Cell: 315-244-3976
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    I AM DEPENDING ON YOU TO BE PART OF THE SOLUTION. PLEASE LET ME KNOW WHAT YOU ARE THINKING.

    Thanking you in advance,
    Respectfully,
    David Hunkins
    davidhunkins@tampabay.rr.com

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    tami.wright@...

    07/09/09 | Report as spam

    RE: More on Obama and Business: Follow-up Interview With Robert Frank

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    marcopuccini

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    RE: More on Obama and Business: Follow-up Interview With Robert Frank

    The most encouraging information in this article is the fact that there were 111 comments and most were strongly dismissive of Frank's ideas. Your business readership is certainly savvy enough to know bull when they hear it. Please move on to more useful articles. I am sure that most people here have real business to deal with and do not have time for armchair quarterbacks with a political agenda.

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    steveo@...

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    RE: More on Obama and Business: Follow-up Interview With Robert Frank

    "If they raised their prices, they?d sell even less. So inflation poses no risk in the short term."

    -- Ask an ice-cream vendor what he'll do to his prices if his costs go up by 25%.

    Is Frank oversimplifying for us dummies, or does he really not nderstand what he's talking about?

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    clarkm

    07/10/09 | Report as spam

    Those who view inflation as a current threat need to examine data from the

    I'm not a financial guy but I believe if you watch the market as an indicators of the state of business/inflation/economy then you're likely to fail. I think that the real successful people out there observe the state of business/inflation/economy as indicators for the direction of the market. As an anology, Dr. Frank is suggesting that we drive our cars by looking in the rear view mirror. As for his real life examples, he was playing in the non-manufacturing, owner/operator commodity fields (I'm not even going to address the "student employee" example). Hardly the type of experience that would suggest any level of expertise. marcopuccini hit the nail on the head, the majority of 111 experienced business people are wrong and need to do their homework?????? Sorry but we're doing it everyday while he's teaching our youth more about entitlement and the value of social systems.

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    larryprg

    07/13/09 | Report as spam

    RE: More on Obama and Business: Follow-up Interview With Robert Frank

    These "pin-headed" economists are absolute fools. Have you ever seen Paul Krugman, this supposedly fantastic Nobel Prize-winning economist? What a moron! I wouldn't give the man the time of day, let alone the responsibility for ANYTHING! Based on what I've seen of Frank, he seems to be just as worthless.

    These people have NO clue the Industrial Revolution has been over for a VERY long time. They are all Keynesian, zero-sum, collective-model socialists, even communists and marxists. They instinctively think the individual is irrelevant and decisions need to be made at the higher level possible.

    All the failed management styles of the 70's proved collectivisim in business: management by exception, by committee, by consensus are all TOTALLY ineffective. Commerce only improved when management finally became aware that people are their greatest asset and giving them more power to control their own environments created tremendous wealth for everyone!

    Micro, centralized management is a horrible waste of resources. Business only recovered from our dismal economy of the 70's by eliminating destructive and useless middle-management. The more power the individual has, the better off EVERYTHING is.

    To be effective, an organization's day-to-day decisions HAVE to be made at the lowest level possible.

    The individual is EVERYTHING -- the collective is NONSENSE! Keynesian economics has NO place in the REAL world!

    If you need to consult an economist, seek out the visions of REAL economists, such as Thomas Sowell and Walter Williams. Government and institutions should ONLY do for people what they absolutely cannot do for themselves.

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