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Are There Stars in Banking -- or Anywhere Else?

August 5th, 2009 @ 4:01 pm

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Categories: Finance, General, Hiring

Tags: Talent, Hiring, Professor, Performance, Banking, Performance Management, Workforce Management, Recruitment & Selection, Human Resources, Jeffrey Pfeffer

The latest disclosures about the enormous salaries paid to at least some financial sector employees even as their firms performed dismally have produced public outrage. The companies’ response is that they have to pay well in order to attract (and retain) talent.  But the idea that organizational performance reflects talent that is a property of individuals and thus walks out the door when they do is just plain wrong, even in investment banking.

Harvard Business School professor Boris Groysberg was curious as to whether a company could gain some competitive advantage by hiring outside talent. He chose a particular setting, finance, and a particular job, securities analyst, that had the following properties: people believed there were large differences in individual ability, performance could be objectively assessed (by analyst rankings), and movement across firms occurred on a regular basis.  Grosyberg studied 1,052 stock analysts who worked for 28 U.S. investment banks over the period 1988 through 1996.  He found that when a company hires a star away from another firm, the star’s performance falls (46 percent of the research analysts did poorly in the year they switched jobs and their performance remained lower even after five years), there is a decline in the performance of the group the star joins, the market value of the company hiring the star falls, and the star doesn’t stay with the new employer for very long.  Grosyberg concluded that hiring stars didn’t do much for the firms’ or the stars performance, and that everyone would be better off by growing talent inside the firm. (Groysberg has more to say about the portability of talent in “The Risky Business of Hiring Stars” and “The Effect of Colleague Quality on Top Performance.”

Although Groysberg’s results may initially seem surprising, that is only because we have succumbed to the idea that how people perform depends on some stable individual characteristics like talent or innate ability rather than where they work, the technology and systems available to them, the quality of their colleagues, and the ability of their leaders.  This was precisely the point W. Edwards Deming and his colleagues in the quality movement made decades ago when they told companies to stop blaming (or for that matter, rewarding) people for outcomes over which the individuals had little control.  And it is an idea demonstrated in numerous studies of a variety of presumably individualistic jobs.

For instance, evidence shows that individual professors’ research productivity depends in part on where they work.  And why not?  Teaching loads, laboratory equipment and other facilities, and the capabilities of collaborators affect the success of individual’s research efforts.  In baseball, as Cornell industrial relations professor Lawrence Kahn demonstrated, managers and teams affect the performance of baseball players.  On some teams with great managers, players do better than their long-run average performance, while on others run by people with less managerial skill, they do worse than their career records would predict.  And Michael Lewis’s book, Moneyball, shows that player ability, at least as reflected in their salaries, is far from perfectly correlated with team performance.  What’s true for the relatively individualistic occupations of securities analyst, professor, and baseball player is even more likely to hold for typical organizational jobs where interdependence among people in performing tasks is even higher.

The lessons:  chasing talent doesn’t work and just costs the companies doing the chasing a lot of wasted money.  There are no short cuts to efforts to build systems that develop the full potential of existing employees and cultures which provide the collaboration, mentoring, and learning opportunities that help everyone do better.  And there is another lesson in this sorry tale:  the banks and securities firms who defend the practice of chasing stars as a justification for outrageous salaries are either being disingenuous or they really don’t fully understand what makes companies in their industry successful and the empirical data on the ineffectiveness of a “war for talent” strategy.  Given their financial performance, the latter — pervasive ignorance of the determinants of success — is a real possibility.

Jeffrey Pfeffer is a professor of organizational behavior at Stanford’s Graduate School of Business and is the author or co-author of 12 books including “What Were They Thinking? Unconventional Wisdom About Management.”
 
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    kaningpanis

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    RE: Are There Stars in Banking -- or Anywhere Else?

    Great insight...

    I agree that the performance of an individual affects the quality of the colleagues (reluctant and complacent) and ability of the manager as people manager. If these 2 depressing aspect became the culture of the group, even a top performer from previous job will surely fall.

    Believe me... I?m here in my unenthusiastic position.

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    chonglek

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    RE: Are There Stars in Banking -- or Anywhere Else?

    so, if I'm a Hot Star, even if it is due to the work environment rather than innate quality, I may get head hunted, but may subsequently underperform.

    but, if I'm a Laggard Dog, it must similarly be due to current environment, but I won't get headhunted and continue to underperform.

    might as well just be a dentist and earn steady pay.

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    gugum

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    RE: Are There Stars in Banking -- or Anywhere Else?

    One of the things that stars forget to do when they move to other jobs is to first walk before they run. Complacency prevails and they tend to undermine the people they find in the organisation, and forget that they still need to learn from these people.

    This results in lack of support, and set up for failure. That is why the underperformance.

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    raptor123

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    RE: Are There Stars in Banking -- or Anywhere Else?

    Excellent article that explores the dynamics of organisations. Chonlglek's rather tongue in cheek response is not surprising and I suspect is a view commonly held. However, in my view the importance of the culture of the organisation is vital to supporting the heavenly aspirations of the rising star. When staff move on to other organisations they are subject to integration and adeptation. There are exceptions to this and the rising star either makes a dramatic impact thus ensuing their success or they find that what ever they were doing previously is not producing the same results; invariably this is due to the dymanics of the organisation. The rising star then needs to look for an organisation that is aligned to that individuals way of working. There is a myriad of factors that are responsible for success, talent is vital but by no means gurantees success.

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    scamo

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    RE: Are There Stars in Banking -- or Anywhere Else?

    @chonglek

    LOL - no I think he is saying, the companies who have stars in their own ranks should keep them and make them happy. He is also saying, the stars should be bred within the company. I just think buying outside talent is just another sign of poor and lost management. If I can't find ways to breed my own talent, then I am either too lazy or too stupid and have to look for the next alternative, buying external talent. That is a mistake though, according to Jeffrey and I agree completely.

    The only time outside talent should be gotten is when a problem can't be solved within your own ranks. Either you hire a consultant, if the problem isn't persistance or you hire a new person who know what he or she is doing. For instance, if I can't find ways to cultivate talent, then I'd hire a Human Resources expert who can. It's as simple as that.;)

    scamo

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    jeankeller

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    RE: Are There Stars in Banking -- or Anywhere Else?

    ...then there's the "why promote the worker-bee" syndrome. I've seen a lot of very talented people get stuck in positions because they are very talented and work hard --while the bull-s**rs get moved on up (and paid more, of course!)

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    maillamj

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    RE: Are There Stars in Banking -- or Anywhere Else?

    scamo is right. Build talent from within. What ever happended with starting in the mail room and working your way up. The intricate social networks that exist to faciliate work at any orgainization take time to figure out. gugum & raptor123 hit on this. That is part of the learning curve when moving to a new orgainization. However that curve is frought with danger; there are multiple people considered "pee-on's" that can lose a file, or misplace some numbers if they are rubbed the wrong way.

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    Thomas907

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    RE: Are There Stars in Banking -- or Anywhere Else?

    Remember the Peter principle?

    A person raises to the level of his or her incompetence.

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    PhillBrown

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    RE: Are There Stars in Banking -- or Anywhere Else?

    @tperrett

    Exactly, I was to post to say, surely this is just the Peter
    Principle in practice?

    People who have risen to stardom in an organisation are
    often unaware of or disregard the support they have from
    the infrastructure of that business, even more they ignore
    the social knowledge network they use just to get things
    done - as other posters have said -all these things have to
    be re-established in the new business to which they move.

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    JohnDz

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    RE: Are There Stars in Banking -- or Anywhere Else?

    Guess my employer is smarter than I thought... salary 25% below market average for positions, no merit increases in past three years.

    People are doing the bare minimum because there's no reason to be a star (and neither competence nor results delivered seemed to have any weight during the last round of layoffs...).

    Personal commentary aside, I think the "walk before you run" comment left earlier has significance.

    People forget just how they became successful in their old company - establishing strong working relationships over time, learning the culture by living in it, expanding their realm of influence as their experience and abilities could handle it.

    At the new job, they walk in as the hired gun, all knowing all powerful. This frequently causes resentment among the new peers (many of whom either themselves were passed over for the position or have a friend/colleague that they believe is/was deserving that was). The foundation is no longer there for this "star" and the resulting outcome is exacerbated by the "bull in a china shop" approach that is taken (hey if you're the headhunted star there's pressure to make an immediate impact to show your worth).

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    adam_nyaga@...

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    RE: Are There Stars in Banking -- or Anywhere Else?

    this research doesn't seem very well done, I don't think it is reasonable to correlate the performance of a group or the market value of a company with the hiring of a specific "star", unless he was being hired at very senior level e.g. ceo
    I don't agree as well that individual talent is "powerless" and the work environment is more important ... both have an equal influence on the output of an individual

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    R. B.

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    RE: Are There Stars in Banking -- or Anywhere Else?

    I found this article to be very interesting and somewhat encouraging. It succinctly says something I have personally observed and I believe the message is very important to consider.

    Specifically, what I have observed is that you can take someone who is highly successful, driven / motivated, intelligent, capable and talented and destroy their performance totally by erecting roadblocks, overloading them, not giving them the right (necessary) tools to do the job, not supporting their efforts and by equating working long hours with being an effective, committed, hard-working employee. Roadblocks will totally kill performance and drive. Even the best, when they continually run into brick walls, lack of support, constant redirection and devaluation of previously priority tasks, will back off and give up. Placing too much work / too many projects on an employee will water down their effectiveness and cause them to be less successful overall than if workloads remain challenging, but reasonable. Buried under too many projects and too much work, spread too thin, no employee will accomplish what they need to accomplish. Human beings have limits. They need balance. And if you don?t supply the right tools, implement the most effective systems, streamline processes and upgrade technology, even the best employee will flounder or, at the very least, be much less successful than might have been expected (these things become roadblocks). Additionally, if an employee is micromanaged instead of being supported and encouraged, they will disengage and their performance will drop. And even the best and brightest will burn out if they are continually required to work long hours just to prove they are a hard-working, dedicated employee. Often, long hours actually equate to ineffectiveness rather than efficiency and effectiveness. While there are times in every job where some additional effort is needed (and usually willingly given), it should not be the norm. In the long run, it will cause burnout.

    While employee fit and ability is certainly important, the company culture, processes, systems, tools, technology and leadership is just as critical. We need to pay attention to all of the critical factors that impact employee performance and success to be a successful company.

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    LdrshpMgmtGuru

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    RE: Are There Stars in Banking -- or Anywhere Else?

    @R.B. - Agreed

    As a recently transplanted leader in an organization that hasn't significantly developed or invested in its employees in more than a decade, I find it necessary to both grow from within and find "star" leaders from the outside. We are working w/ such a skill deficit in some areas that it will likely take 2-3 years to get back on track. Therefore, we have to work on multiple fronts to move the organization forward, including actively changing the organizational culture, overhauling processes and systems, growing internal talent, and recruiting fresh, new talent.

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    jeff.evans@...

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    RE: Are There Stars in Banking -- or Anywhere Else?

    I tried to locate the Groysberg study that Pfeffer refers to. There are at least two that use the Wall Street analyst data set, neither of which (from the abstacts anyway, they are each very lengthy and I haven't yet read them in their entirety) seems to support the premise. Can anyone validate these, or point to others? I found "DOES STARDOM AFFECT JOB MOBILITY? EVIDENCE FROM ANALYST TURNOVER IN INVESTMENT BANKS" at:

    http://www.hbs.edu/research/facpubs/workingpapers/papers2/0102/02-029.pdf

    and "Does individual performance affect entrepreneurial mobility? Empirical evidence from the financial analysis market" at:

    http://www.capco.com/content/journal-of-financial-transformation?q=content/journal-detail&sid=1094



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    Winning Workforce

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    RE: Are There Stars in Banking -- or Anywhere Else?

    Peter Drucker the famous management consultant said that 66% of the employment decisions made by managers will turn out to be disappointments within the first 12 months. He went on to say that those managers who believe that know how to judge people are the worst.

    I don?t know how many times I have asked managers to give me three to five quantifiable factors that will define top performance and they can?t do it without help. I believe that managers cling to those employment myths about performance and compensation because if the truth be told they have no idea why one person is successful and the person next to them in a similar situation is not.

    Talent means nothing unless it is matched to capabilities, behavior, and a work environment that supports a person and lets them succeed.

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    Jeffrey.Pfeffer

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    RE: Are There Stars in Banking -- or Anywhere Else?

    What a wonderful, intelligent discussion. Here is some more information that may be helpful:
    1) The conclusions reported are correct, as confirmed by an e-mail exchange with Boris Grosyberg (bgroysberg@hbs.edu). Articles covering this work include: 1) Grosyberg, Sant, and Abrahams, "When 'Stars' Migrate, Do They Still Perform Like Stars?" Sloan Management Review, Fall, 2008; 2) Groysberg, Lee, and Nanda, "Can They Take It With Them? The Portability of Star Knowledge Workers' Performance," Management Science, July 2008. There is also a very interesting article on this topic co-authored by Grosyberg in the Harvard Business Review. Groysberg is writing a book on this topic, including what makes cultures more or less able to "absorb" stars, based not only on his work with securities analysts but other jobs as well. He has a LOT of empirical wisdom on this issue.

    2) A reason for a decline in (short-term) stock market value for firms hiring stars could plausibly be that the market sees this as a) a not good strategy and b) a reflection of a talent-development deficiency in the acquiring firms; the studies were quite carefully done and several published in peer-reviewed journals which are very selective. And his most important dependent variables are star subsequent performance and the performance of the groups they join and leave.

    3) Grosyberg's results, and my column, do not speak to the issue of underpaying people and expecting good results--the focus is just on the outside hiring of stars process.

    Hope this is helpful.

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    Ken Ferry

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    RE: Are There Stars in Banking -- or Anywhere Else?

    I heard Ashish Nanda speak on this at a leadership conference in 2006. The presentation was less about the star than about the organizations involved. For instance, he compared, in decreasing likelihood of success, the organization that relies primarily on growing its own leaders (stars) to the organizations that rely primarily on hiring away from other orgs, to the organization that consistently loses its stars to other orgs. He also identified the "really good organization" as the one that, when people leave, they leave as ambassadors for the the organization, creating a community/network that is much larger than the organization.

    From my notes, in support of RBs comments, Dr. Nanda compared hiring a star to an organ transplant. "Only 10% of value is realized from the star's value, 90% by post-hire integration."

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    Maria Santagati

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    RE: Are There Stars in Banking -- or Anywhere Else?

    I think this is a very important point to stress to C-Level management of US firms - if they are going to thrive in these tight economic times because all too often the human talent is there but it is being hindered by insecure, inexperienced middle management - this problem is more widespread than you might think and ultimately costing companies significantly. How they evaluate team performance is critical......
    You might enjoy my blog at www.mariasantagati@blogspot.com

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    Maria Santagati

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    RE: Are There Stars in Banking -- or Anywhere Else?

    I think this is a very important message to get to C-Level Management in U.S. Firms if they are going to thrive in this economic climate - all too often the human talent is there but it is being hindered by insecure, inexperienced middle management. This is more widespread than you might think and ultimately costs these companies significantly in the end (employee turnover/attrition rates). How they measure team performance is critical.....

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    wannurulashikin@...

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    RE: Are There Stars in Banking -- or Anywhere Else?

    Companies need to have sufficiently detailed definition of "star" according to their vision, mission, objectives, values and culture. A "star" somewhere may not be a "star" in your company as the vision, mission, objectives, values and culture may be dissimilar.

    Likewise, a "non-star" in your company may be a "star" in another company as the "non-star's" strengths may be uncovered and optimally channeled and utilised by the other company.

    I'd say provide access or ready support and a conducive environment (e.g. develop a culture where new team member integrates with existing team members in a warm, sincere and almost fluid in nature) especially during the probation period, provide required work tools, identify the "star's" strengths and channel and utilise his/her strengths via stretching assignments etc, and observe whether the "star" really shines or not. If it consistently shines beyond the probation period (get data to support this), then surprise the "star" with e.g. a revised remuneration package. This surprise will, in many ways, motivate the "star" to strive better and fit in better.

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    larry@...

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    RE: Are There Stars in Banking -- or Anywhere Else?

    I certainly believe Prof. Groysberg's findings are meaningful, and as a Deming disciple, appreciate the reference to Dr. Deming's teachings.

    One caveat, although "star" status does not guarantee success (a point I believe is well documented by Prof. Groysberg), it should not be taken that individual employee competency, or, indeed, employee talent, should be overlooked. There are degrees of talent and competence. Generally, however, the interdependencies in most organizations cannot be overcome simply by one employee, no matter how talented. I believe that the fundamental message of Prof. Groysberg's findings is that overall team talent is more important than individual talent. That's not to say that a team of talented individuals will not accomplish more than a team of lesser talented individuals. Don't take the findings to mean that mediocrity of competence is the goal.

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