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Great Leaders Don't Always Make Great CEOs

January 28th, 2009 @ 8:05 am

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Tags: Shareholder, Sun Microsystems Inc., Leader, Scott McNealy, CEO, Leadership, Financial Accounting, Management, Finance, Steve Tobak

By all accounts, Sun’s Chairman and former CEO, Scott McNealy, was a great leader and manager. According to Forbes, 75 CEOs were managed by McNealy at one time or another, including Google’s Eric Schmidt and Yahoo’s new chief, Carol Bartz.

That’s impressive to be sure. In the same Forbes article, McNealy talks about the management tricks he used to grow the company to $10 billion. Again, an impressive feat few have matched. I said it myself, in a 2007 CNET post:

By any measure, quantitative or qualitative, Scott [McNealy] was an extraordinary leader and manager. Excluding the [dot-com] bubble (I always exclude the bubble), he led Sun from startup to roughly $20B in market cap, an extraordinary achievement.

Let’s pause there for a moment. Sounds like a lovefest, doesn’t it? But there’s a flip side to the story. Read on: 

But over the next decade - again, excluding the bubble - the stock essentially flatlined, significantly underperforming its peers and all major market indices. Sun’s stock price today is roughly the same as it was ten years ago.

The second half - an entire decade - of Sun’s performance as a public company has been poor, to say the least. If you bought [JAVA] in the past ten years, you’re not likely to be a happy camper. That affects lots of shareholders and employees - numbers with lots of zeros at the end.

Since then, shares of Sun have plunged 80 percent, far worse than peer companies and broad market indices. To be fair, Jonathan Schwartz has been running the company for over two and a half years now. But wasn’t Schwartz also a McNealy disciple, not to mention Scott’s choice to replace him? How about that?

Don’t get me wrong, McNealy built Sun and, for a time, it was an important, profitable, high-growth company. But that ended long ago. Today, Sun’s business model is essentially broken, and that’s been the case for a very long time. Moreover, its “death by a thousand cuts” multi-year restructuring has failed.

Look, I think it’s great that Scott McNealy trained 75 CEOs for other companies. Maybe he should have been an executive coach. But the true measure of corporate success is building long-term shareholder value. In that sense, he failed. He couldn’t do for his own company and its shareholders what some of his disciples have done for theirs. And in that context, the horrendous performance of Jonathan Schwartz is truly ironic. 

In the Forbes interview, McNealy said, “A lot of those good leaders who came out of Sun understood and knew what I was trying to do when I picked an enemy, or when I picked a cause or when I put all the wood behind one arrowhead. It was about trying to align a bunch of really different people around a commonality of purpose. That’s what really great leaders do.”

Maybe that’s what “really great leaders do,” but really great CEOs create long-term shareholder value.

 
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    jcarrieri

    01/29/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Great Leaders Don?t Always Make Great CEOs

    I think though when it comes to technology in particular,
    things change that a CEO might not be able to answer or
    change with. Low cost servers took over the world and
    there was no going back to the days when Sun could charge
    for their premium servers. Whether they liked it or not that
    was reality. They would have to change what the company
    was in order to compete.

    Look at the newspaper industry right now or print
    publications in general. The tide has changed and there is
    nothing they or any CEO or even a billionaire in the case of
    Zell can do about it.

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    elitetuner@...

    01/29/09 | Report as spam

    Great CEOs aren't usually entrepreneur

    One can easily argue that Jim Clark was never a great leader or CEO, but a visionary that turns ideas to reality. There is a difference between maintaining vs driving as well as creating vs executing. Even Warren Buffett lost massive amoutn of money just this past few years, however it doesn't mean he isn't a great leader or CEO. As matter of fact his super long-term investing style can reward him in the long hault.

    It is important to know that great mentors can teach and educate but it doesn't translate to execution. To pick a time frame and make judgement on someone could be a costly mistake because nobody wins all the time, and you win because you know what you're wrong.

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    kwaiyu

    01/29/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Great Leaders Don?t Always Make Great CEOs

    It's a really good article, but it could so easily have been a really great article if you changed just one word. That word is shareholder.

    The real challenge is that we continue to use the word SHAREHOLDER value instead of STAKEHOLDER value.

    The one lesson we should have learnt from the credit crunch is that long term sustainability is about looking after the stakeholders of your company. If the banks, mortgage brokers etc. had that philosophy, irresponsible lending would not have been at the level which is now destroying banks and huge conglomerates.

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    oliver@...

    01/30/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Great Leaders Don?t Always Make Great CEOs

    This is an interesteing application of a principle called the "Halo" effect: Mangers who are successfull in one position are often expected to bring the same performance in another position. But the same personal traits that helped them mastering the first job may lead to failure in the other one.

    So, we learn that this may even apply without people changing the job, when over time the environment and the requirements on managers change while they still remain in their position.

    Thank you for the example.

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    SteveLanning

    01/30/09 | Report as spam

    Same Thing with Football Players Into Coaches

    GREAT post, Steve,

    You've exampled large A-Team firms, but middle and lower market companies have the same issue.

    In my work, I'm always suspicious of a client who's leader is from (mostly) a vertical discipline (law, medicine, engineering, accounting, etc). Yet a vertically disciplined individual CAN be a wonderful manager--the tenor of your post.

    Yet, as you state so well, Steve,leadership and management are two skillsets.

    And as the guy who created the National Association of Business Coaches, your comment "Maybe he should have been an executive coach" also hit home!

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    IMLaughlin

    01/30/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Great Leaders Don?t Always Make Great CEOs

    Suggest this article is merely an exercise in semantics.Would guess the author is another one of those business people who shy away from the concept, leadership, and prefer the safer climes of "manager." The test: Is the reverse plausable? That is, would a less effective leader have made a great CEO for Sun?

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    DLNK

    01/30/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Great Leaders Don?t Always Make Great CEOs

    I worked for Sun from late 99 to 2003 when I left for law school. I remember many late night "unofficial" meetings where my team did a lot of hand wringing. Are we seriously making this corporate decision? This is really the path we are taking? Why doesn't anyone know this "fill in the very large public facing event or action" is running on Sun equipment?

    The lowest level tech staff saw the handwriting on the wall and we always wondered why Scott didn't.

    On the flip side, he always gave a great town hall meeting....too bad my options didn't get inspired.

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    janehurd

    01/30/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Great Leaders Don?t Always Make Great CEOs

    Great leaders and managers know their own strengths and limitations. The company that Scott built needed different skills to change from a massive start-up to an agile executing machine. He stayed too long, and when he did leave, picked his own successor, an act that is too much to ask of mere mortals.

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    NVS COOP

    01/30/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Great Leaders Don?t Always Make Great CEOs

    It was about trying to align a bunch of really different people around a commonality of purpose. That?s what really great leaders do.?
    Greatness is besides the point, and if you've ever led, don't expect any plaques for it in your lifetime, if ever.

    Then the leader, as much as lies within him and within his jurisdiction, must continue to lead toby setting in place a CEO and management team that can create long-term shareholder value.

    That's what I am endeavoring to do with the National Valuation Service www.nvs.coop Anyone who knows something is welcome and encouraged to hook up. Richard D. Frank

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    NVS COOP

    01/30/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Great Leaders Don?t Always Make Great CEOs

    It was about trying to align a bunch of really different people around a commonality of purpose. Thats what really great leaders do.
    Greatness is besides the point, and if you've ever led, don't expect any plaques for it in your lifetime, if ever.

    Then the leader, as much as lies within him and within his jurisdiction, must continue to lead by setting in place a CEO and management team that can create long-term shareholder value.

    That's what I am endeavoring to do with the National Valuation Service www.nvs.coop Anyone who knows something is welcome and encouraged to hook up. Richard D. Frank

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    amoman

    01/30/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Great Leaders Don?t Always Make Great CEOs

    There's a key implied assumption in the logic of this argument -- someone else could have done a better job running Sun than Scott McNeally. This is essentially impossible to ever prove. However, the article almost provides its own counterpoint: "the horrendous performance of Jonathan Schwartz is truly ironic." Is it? Or, is indicative of the alternative argument that regardless of who was at the helm, the business model of Sun was doomed. Therefore, it may not be that an idictment of Scott McNeally is justified, but rather an acknowlegement that business models ebb and flow; some win, some lose.

    It is difficult to separate decisions from results, but that is sometimes necessary to fully examine the outcome.

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    Steve Tobak

    01/30/09 | Report as spam

    Could another CEO have done a better job at Sun?

    This does open the door to lots of interesting questions and scenarios, but I think the most important one is "could another CEO have done a better job at Sun?" That question could be generalized to almost any company / situation.

    I think the answer is emphatically yes! If Lou Gerstner could turn around and change the business model at IBM, then it could have been done at Sun ... still can be done, in fact.

    What do you think?

    Steve Tobak

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    clarkm

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    RE: Great Leaders Don?t Always Make Great CEOs

    We tend to give far too much credit to business "leadership" when things are going well. The true test of leadership is in times of change and when faced with challenges. The opening response in this string notes that some CEOs, particularly of tech companies, may not be able to adjust to change. That is one of the characteristics if not the simple definition of a bad leader. You need not necessarily be a visionary but how can one not respond to changes in the marketplace (with appropriate changes to the business model) and still claim to be a great leader? Not all leaders are CEOs but CEOs are most certainly paid to be leaders. Mr. McNealy and Mr. Schwartz have failed in their intended duties, plain and simple. Another quality trait of a good leader is personal responsiblity. Excuses are made by the losers as they slip out the back with their bags of severance money.

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    teoiling@...

    01/31/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Great Leaders Don?t Always Make Great CEOs

    FINALLY, someone who dared to call a spade a spade. Scott was passed his due date and over in the 2nd decade and the Board did not replace him, instead declaring their support for his management style (which I always wonder why unless they are all blind and brainwashed). His style was suited to startup but lacking to bring the company into maturity. Putting a puppet Jon in his place merely emphasize the fact that Scott do not know how to let go, while Jon just rubs everyone the wrong way just like Scott. That spelled the doom of the company. Will it be another case like HP, when Carly was fired, that if the same happened in Sun, JAVA stock options will shoot maybe 20% up? This will be a real sentiment of the market towards the management of Sun. Seriously, Sun's performance is shameful, and yet the top management continue to be highly paid for driving the company deep, deep under.

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    hemeshc

    02/07/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Great Leaders Don?t Always Make Great CEOs

    Great article, great response. If we look what a leader should do, we can draw a brief definition that a person who is able to inspire, motivate, & drive a person, group, or corporation on a desired path. The task of the CEO is the task of a leader.
    Having a creative vision and putting that vision into action is not the same.
    Anyone can have a vision, but it takes leaders to take that vision to its glory.

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    bisikay

    02/16/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Great Leaders Don?t Always Make Great CEOs

    IS LEADAGEMENT THE ANSWER?
    We have come up the concept of LEDAGEMENT to replace both leadership and management as single operational systems in state and corporate governance and administration in the current climate of uncertainties and meltdowns.

    A SUPER-EXECUTIVE OFFICER, a SEO, who will be a hybrid leader-manager, or a LEADAGER, may flexibly and systematically apply the principles of LEADAGEMENT, of LEADESHIP and of MANAGEMENT as the global and organisational situations may dictate.

    We have explored this theme in the book: WHY MANAGERS CAN'T LEAD AND LEADERS CAN'T MANAGE ( by BISIKAY, from www.lulu.com).

    This debate is good for the current global scenarios. Leaders and managers need the transformation that will enhance their executive capacity to meet all challengies.

    BISIKAY,Senior Fellow, Global LEADAGEMENT Institute, London, UK.
    drbisikay@yahoo.com / leadagement@gmail.com

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    Stephen Isienyi

    02/19/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Great Leaders Don?t Always Make Great CEOs

    I seriously believe that CEOs have to be great leaders to make great CEOs. Something that can be said for using strong financial position as a measure in this context is that it is merely a single part in many other parts that distinguishes great CEOs from the rest. In many an instance, an organization can remain profitable for long periods of time that even a less-than-average CEO who performs simple maintenance will suffice. Although productive, this less-than-average CEO is simply a game manager, but would be incapable of rallying his team when necessary which is what a great CEO who is also a leader does well.

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