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Should Executives Be Politically Correct? Ask Seagate's Bill Watkins

January 13th, 2009 @ 2:53 pm

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billwatkins_270×202.jpgSeagate Technology, the world’s leading disk drive maker, shocked the markets yesterday by announcing the immediate departure of CEO Bill Watkins and president and COO David Wickersham. Chairman and former CEO Stephen Luczo has assumed the president and CEO functions.
What made this announcement so unexpected was the significant presence Seagate’s Watkins had at last week’s Consumer Electronics Show. On Friday, in addition to calling December “just terrible” in terms of drive demand, Watkins effectively preannounced a restructuring and significant layoffs to come.

Seagate’s performance has indeed deteriorated in recent quarters. Profits have all but disintegrated and the stock has plummeted about 80 percent over the past year, compared with 45 percent at archrival Western Digital and 40 percent for the broad market indices. The company has also lost market share in the hot notebook computer segment and is behind the innovation curve on up-and-coming solid state drives.

While those are good reasons for a management shakeup, they may not tell the whole story.

As president and COO since 2000 and CEO since 2004, Watkins was a solid operating manager. He was an inspirational leader respected by employees, customers and analysts. That said, he was also a charismatic, colorful, controversial, and highly outspoken executive who pulled no punches and rarely kept his opinion to himself. He was anything but politically correct.

While I find that refreshing, his tendency to be a loose cannon and occasionally stick his foot in his mouth may have accelerated his demise. You see, in good times, boards may overlook a CEOs shortcomings. But when operating performance slips, they make it so much easier to pull the plug.

For example, in a 2006 Fortune interview at a dinner event, Watkins unleashed what was perhaps his most quotable line:

“Let’s face it, we’re not changing the world. We’re building a product that helps people buy more crap - and watch porn.”

Early last year, Watkins claimed the coming recession had little impact on Seagate:

How much does what’s going on in the stock market and the rest of the economy affect Seagate, as well as the other drive makers?

Watkins: ”Outside of the financial institutions I don’t see it.”

He later recanted in an unusually colorful interview with Dean Takahashi of VentureBeat:

Q: But it’s still not as bad as 2001.

A: Yeah. But our numbers are a whole lot bigger now. When you have this netbooks trend going, it’s causing a lot of consternation for everybody. The netbooks are just low-cost laptops. Intel makes a profit. No one else is. It’s killing the business for the others. It’s like a $#!+-eating contest. The only question about a $#!+-eating contest is you don’t know whether it’s better to eat more $#!+ or eat less $#!+. Who wins in the end? Is the winner the guy who eats the most $#!+?

Q: What was the $#!+ referring to again?

And just weeks later, Watkins seemingly reversed his view on Netbooks: in a story entitled “Why Netbooks are good for Seagate:”  

“For us, it’s a big win, since we can sell a lot of drives then,” Watkins said in an interview here at CES. “Everyone tries to low-end storage, but they can’t get away with it.”

But this recollection of his first executive-level meeting with legendary Seagate founder Al Shugart is priceless, both for its content and for Watkins’s inimitable delivery:

“The meeting lasted about four or five hours, and I have never been around so many people who just screamed and yelled at each other. Everyone was, ‘F— you, f— you.’ The sales guy would say, ‘I need this’ and the operations guy would say, ‘Well, f— you. I’m not doing that.’ And the design guy would say, ‘F—, I hate doing that.’ It was six hours of ‘f— you,’ Watkins recalled. And when it was over, they brought out the dog head. It was a head of a stuffed dog. They cut it off and sewed up the bottom. Then they all took a vote on who is the biggest —hole in the meeting and they gave him the dog head award.”

In addition to his comments at CES, Watkins had been telegraphing a major restructuring since December - not a great idea with respect to morale and productivity.

Last Word

Personally, I think political correctness is the second worst thing to happen to corporate America, next to Sarbanes-Oxley. But be aware that some boards and companies don’t go for that sort of thing. And while it’s not at all clear that had any impact on the board’s decision, I’m not sure it didn’t, either. Watkins’s comments on Friday were just too close to his unexpected demise the following Monday. 

(Image of Seagate CEO Bill Watkins at CES 2009 courtesy Erica Ogg/CNET)

 
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    ptiseo

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    RE: Should Executives Be Politically Correct? Ask Seagate's Bill Watkins

    There's a difference between being honest/outspoken and professional, and honest/outspoken and a boor.

    There's also a difference between politically correct and professional.

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    Geoffrey James, Sales Machine

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    RE: Should Executives Be Politically Correct? Ask Seagate's Bill Watkins

    The remark about porn wasn't politically incorrect, just overly accurate.

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    howemark34@...

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    RE: Should Executives Be Politically Correct? Ask Seagate's Bill Watkins

    I would applaude Mr. Watkins for saying it like it is. As a respected executive I'm sure he will land on his feet. Havent we all wanted to be open and honest vs. politically correct at some point in our careers???

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    mabloom77

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    RE: Should Executives Be Politically Correct? Ask Seagate's Bill Watkins

    People in leadership positions set an example. Should everyone in Seagate act this way?

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    DrTodd

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    RE: Should Executives Be Politically Correct? Ask Seagate's Bill Watkins

    I have to agree with most of the other posts on this one. It's not an issue of political correctness to expect a certain amount of respect and decorum. There are executives who manage to speak out in very direct ways, but do so with a regard for others.

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    caddit

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    RE: Should Executives Be Politically Correct? Ask Seagate's Bill Watkins

    I have heard worse.

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    MVanderford

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    RE: Should Executives Be Politically Correct? Ask Seagate's Bill Watkins

    I would rather hear a thousand F*** You's than one "girl".
    "She's a smart girl"; "Some girl called"

    F*** You -- I'm 40 and this girl is gonna kick your G** D*** A**.

    We need to focus on what really bad language is and what it does to moral.

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    Jeff_Pluth

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    RE: Should Executives Be Politically Correct? Ask Seagate's Bill Watkins

    If this (his approach and vocabulary) is TRULY what we have to focus on then the issue in America isn't the economy it's our relentless-Gladys Kravitz-syndrome.

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    ethicsblogger

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    RE: Should Executives Be Politically Correct? Ask Seagate's Bill Watkins

    Is there any actual evidence -- any at all -- that Watkins was fired over his mouth?

    I mean, yes, true, he was fired.
    And yes, true, he had a colourful way of talking.
    But is there any indication at all that there's a connection?

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    EEA

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    RE: Should Executives Be Politically Correct? Ask Seagate's Bill Watkins

    Can we all get along???

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    Steve Tobak

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    RE: Should Executives Be Politically Correct? Ask Seagate's Bill Watkins

    The last paragraph answers ethicsblogger's question, but here's more clarity:

    When I was writing the post I was thinking more about the loose cannon aspect than the colorful language, which I found amusing, although it did obscure the message in the Takahashi interview, which I'm sure Dean found amusing.

    If I was on the board, however, I might have a serious problem with telegraphing restructuring and layoffs in advance, which he did the Friday of CES. Also setting himself up by with the recession comment and generally creating issues I'm sure others had to clean up.

    As I said, that's okay in good times, but when there are also performance issues, well, it could have contributed to his demise. It really depends on the board.

    Steve Tobak

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    alifnoon

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    RE: Should Executives Be Politically Correct? Ask Seagate's Bill Watkins

    I think his talking style and issues with performance are inter-related. I think smart performers tend to be cool headed. I think a successful c-level performance would demand too much bandwidth given the age we live in to leave room for high energy mouthing-off.

    This does not leave much room for loose mouthing.

    Having said this, I still like Watkins' pull no punches style.

    www.agilespan.com

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    bronwen92

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    RE: Should Executives Be Politically Correct? Ask Seagate's Bill Watkins

    I was always taught that only people with a distinct lack of imagination and poor language skills need to resort to swearing (hammers hitting thumbs excepted). Perhaps this is true.

    Maybe Watkins was just seen as having too little creative intelligence to get the job done in tough times. Whether he actually does or not, I can't judge, but his language is a negative indicator . . .

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    Howard Chapman

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    RE: Should Executives Be Politically Correct? Ask Seagate's Bill Watkins

    Political correctness is boring, vocabulary limiting, un-inspiring and reverently pathetic. The folk who dreampt up this 'Speak' should be proud of their non-productivity. Bill Watkin's colourful language did not show disrespect. Our language useage pre-PC was structured in such a way that respect could be displayed without removing anyone's gender or changing the name of a manhole.
    Its all about respect.
    The answer to Mabloom77's comment is yes.

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    eyeSell

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    RE: Should Executives Be Politically Correct? Ask Seagate's Bill Watkins

    Open and honest does not exist in a PC world. Unless of course your open honesty is also positive. Too many under achievers get by because too many leaders are still trying to figure out how to say "attained 50% of target" without being tagged as "negative".

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    Manabozho

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    It's a question of vulnerability

    When the company's in serious trouble, with an 80%
    drop in share price and nothing going right, do you
    want someone who can present rational explanations
    to calm down anxious board, employees and investors?
    Or do you really, really prefer someone who can only
    shout in angry metaphors involving the lower GI tract?

    Seagate / Shugart have reps as havens for the same
    kind of executive acting-out behavior that tanked SCO
    to the tune of horrible headlines for years. It's a huge
    distraction from the business of the company. To laud
    this stuff as "striking back against political correctness"
    is to miss what it means to have a dysfunctional
    executive ranting in the sandbox instead of leading.

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    jsargent

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    RE: Should Executives Be Politically Correct? Ask Seagate's Bill Watkins

    The remarks that a person makes reflects on his character. It also reflects on how responsible a person is. (I personally would not choose to have him in charge of a company.) Being outspoken does not necessarily mean that the person is either 'honest' or 'cares' about something. The bottom line is that this was not just being outspoken but was seen as being irresponsible resulting in a threat to share prices. I remember when Ratner of Ratner's Jewelry in the UK said that his products sell because they are 'crap'. He had to resign and sales and shares prices plummeted. Ratner's does not exist anymore.

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    wzagieboylo@...

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    RE: Should Executives Be Politically Correct? Ask Seagate's Bill Watkins

    I'm really tired of the adolescent concept that a potty mouth is interesting and somehow superior. Grow up.

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    SteveLanning

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    RE: Should Executives Be Politically Correct? Ask Seagate's Bill Watkins

    Dr. Todd and Brownwen have it nailed. Some of the greatest disagreements get aired, dust settles and things get accomplished with hardly a foul word being spoken. When the mind is in the gutter, it's very hard to visualize the horizon of a good outcome.

    As to pure political correctness, amen to the last paragraph, too. Elections have consequences and I predict that a year from now those who did vote for the incoming admin are going to wonder why they did. Jan 16, 2010. Mark it down.

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    pingpaul

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    RE: Should Executives Be Politically Correct? Ask Seagate's Bill Watkins

    In my youth, I worked in railroad operations. I heard the same kind of talk there. On a trip into one of New Orleans' deadliest housing projects, I heard the same kind of language.
    In my experience, that kind of language emanates from people who feel out of control in their lives and are driven by fear or rage.
    Self-control is a hallmark of a mature person. Maturity should be a fundamental requirement for leadership.

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    RoseGardenColor

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    RE: Should Executives Be Politically Correct? Ask Seagate's Bill Watkins

    As a shareholder, you know what I look for in a CEO? A person who can chart and hold a pretty steady course toward profits for me and my fellow shareholders. A person with self-control in tough situations, again with the idea that this person's self-control will lead the company through tough times to maintain profit for me as a shareholder.

    For free-wheeling entertainment with a live wire character like Watkins, there are plenty of other venues for that. I'd love to party with the guy, but I don't want him in the boardroom of any company in which I hold stock.

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    Holly Benefield

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    RE: Should Executives Be Politically Correct? Ask Seagate's Bill Watkins

    I'm a Manager/Executive-in-Training, so take this for what's its worth. The only time I have a problem with political correctness is when it impedes progress and downplays the hard truth. Sometimes you have to be blunt and use the 'shock value' to motivate people to action, however as an executive, foul language neither motivates or empowers people to action and has the greatest potential for offense.

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    morganelli

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    RE: Should Executives Be Politically Correct? Ask Seagate's Bill Watkins

    Everyone seems to be forgetting that foul language is considered offensive to many in most cultures and people who employ it (whatever the situation) can expect to, well, offend.

    If that's what Watkins wanted to do, so be it. But, that person takes a calculated risk that the tactic won't eventually bite them in the, well, a**, which this tactic seems to have done for him.

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    dtshumaker@...

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    RE: Should Executives Be Politically Correct? Ask Seagate's Bill Watkins

    It appears that you have confused political correctness with tact and diplomacy. Political correctness is more about not offending people in light of current ideological fads, with a view toward political advancement - or at least avoiding political disapproval. It has elevated euphemism about controvery to the point where peaceful agreement and acceptance are more important than issue resolution.

    Tact and diplomacy - which Bill Watkins appears to lack in spades - can be the means of discussing issues somewhere between offensive bluntness and issue avoidance. While motive can be opportunistic, whether one is employing political correctness or tact and diplomacy, the connotation of political correctness is that it has the goal of spineless, popular acceptance. Tact and diplomacy CAN be tools to keep the issue honestly up front while moving all players toward both resolution AND peace.

    Our deaf daughter, now a freshman in college, has grown weary with the term hearing impaired. "I'm DEAF," she declares; "I can't hear a thing without my cochlear implant, and what I do hear is sometimes hard to understand. Now, you DEAL with it while I advocate for myself and let's move on."

    OK, maybe I AM too concerned about semantics - but then execs like Bill Watkins could benefit from being more concerned about it. Let political correctness be damned and diplomatic candor be praised.

    Respectfully,
    Dan Shumaker
    Colorado Springs, CO

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    brcollins42@...

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    RE: Should Executives Be Politically Correct? Ask Seagate's Bill Watkins

    No, no you guys go ahead and keep complaining about political correctness.

    Stock price has fallen, demand is down and he didn't see how a major recession might affect his business. You're right - they fired him because of his mouth. Like the fact that it wasn't connected to his brain.

    I would also like to point out there's a big difference between honest truth like saying the industry is built on crap & porn and what most people mean by political correctness.

    Usually what people mean is why can't I keep making my racist, sexist assumptions and jokes without you being offended. And you can. You go right ahead because behavior that offends customers and talented employees works really well for your competition. I don't care if you say **** a hundred times a day. I've done it myself. But since I didn't usually curse, it had a much bigger impact when I said it. And I don't care if you think women are dumber or any of the other stupid sterotypes you carry around. I appreciate it. Because then I go to work for your competition and we wipe the floor up with you.

    You might also remember that the Chinese are known for being an excessively polite people and that doesn't seem to have hurt their productivity at all.

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    melucas

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    RE: Should Executives Be Politically Correct? Ask Seagate's Bill Watkins

    I like the comments by Mr. Shumaker. If there is a point to be made, make it. regardless of whether people like it or not. Behind closed doors, in executive boardrooms, I'm sure the language is very salty at times. The problem with Watkins was that he took his comments outside the boardroom and embarressed some folks who can't or won't take the heat but I doubt that is got him fired it just gave them an opening.

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    peav01

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    RE: Should Executives Be Politically Correct? Ask Seagate's Bill Watkins

    Every one should think about being Professionally Competent; everything else will fall into place.

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    rplatt

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    RE: Should Executives Be Politically Correct? Ask Seagate's Bill Watkins

    And I am completely fed up with the alleged adult concept that a potty mouth is uninteresting and somehow inferior. If you don???t have good snaps, you just don???t have an imagination.

    You use the term ???Grow up??? as a means to push and cajole others into your way of thinking, this is political correctness at its worst, sublime under the attempt to instill civility into others. As if you know what the reasoning is behind why the language was needed to be expressed from the man???s mind. It might even be that there is a justifiable reason for the use of this language (although I???m not buying it).

    However I would note here that not a single person on this entire blog entry asked that question or even pondered the point that there may have been good reason for the foul language. My supposition is that if the meeting went as he says it did, the use of f-bombs was clearly OK???d by the c-suite. Perhaps there was even a metaphorical hammer on the thumb, like the balance sheet just tanked. Who knows perhaps using one???s imagination for a moment it may help here.

    As for the people who judge those that use ???potty mouth??? terms from time to time, that is if the shoe fits, how about this, go f*** yourself.

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    Steve Tobak

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    Did I suddenly end up on ValleyWag?

    I thought I had to read ValleyWag for comments like these ...

    Steve Tobak

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    Mike Cudzich

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    RE: Should Executives Be Politically Correct? Ask Seagate's Bill Watkins

    It seems to me that the main transgression in all of your quotations has nothing to do with Political Correctness as the true meaning of this centres upon the intent behind the spoken or written 'text' and the meaning of the 'text' as derived by the recipient. For example using the word 'girl' in describing an adult female is only politically incorrect if a) the intent was to demean and/or b) the meaning is taken to be demeaning by the recipient. Calling a fellow female executive friend of the same rank 'old girl' (as in, "-you OK old girl?") when one calls similar males 'old boy' is not politically incorrect. However, expressing emotionally driven physical violence in return for a perceived verbal slight that may or may not have been intended (as mentioned by one respondent above), is politically incorrect; because physical violence is always politically incorrect except in self defence against the same, - irrespective of gender!

    The main transgression from the Board's point of view is the one that belittles customers and may thus harm sales and thus profitability and shareholder wealth. I refer to the comment:- "???Let???s face it, we???re not changing the world. We???re building a product that helps people buy more crap - and watch porn.???

    Whilst this may have some grain of truth in at least some cases, it is bad for business!

    The serious consequences created by such comments was discovered by Gerald Ratner the CEO of a very successful chain of low end retail jewellers and 'fancy goods' outlets in the UK back in the 70's, 80's and very early 90's. In a speech to the Institute of Directors in 1991 he was explaining his success and perhaps mindful that his audience of upper middle class and upper class people thought his products were tacky, he showed that he thought so too when said:- "We also do cut-glass sherry decanters complete with six glasses on a silver-plated tray that your butler can serve you drinks on, all for ??4.95. People say, "How can you sell this for such a low price?" I say, because it's total crap"! He then added that some of their earrings were, "cheaper than a Marks and Spencer prawn sandwich but probably wouldn't last as long." The media were present and reported the comments on the TV News and the popular press, - e.g. "It's official, - Ratner's sells Total Crap!" The business was totally destroyed within a couple of days!

    At the end of the day, it's the bottom line that matters!

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    se701501

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    RE: Should Executives Be Politically Correct? Ask Seagate's Bill Watkins

    Most companies have a code of conduct requiring some level of decorum when in public - if the CEO can't meet that code he/she should be subject to the same penalties the rest of the employees must incur...

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    ddesopo

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    RE: Should Executives Be Politically Correct? Ask Seagate's Bill Watkins

    One of my favorite bosses was a creative director in an ad shop. He would drop the F-bomb in meetings but it was never directed at anyone. In fact, my boss typically expressed what I was thinking and would have loved to drop a few F-bombs myself.

    No matter where you go, if certain people who pull the strings don't like you, you're gone. That may be the case with Watkins. But in today's market, the numbers are all that matter. If sales/stocks were great, then Watkins would still be in the big seat dropping F-bombs.

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    Stephen Isienyi

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    RE: Should Executives Be Politically Correct? Ask Seagate's Bill Watkins

    Former CEO Watkins was the general. He needs conduct himself like one. If he was being punished for it without prior counseling, then I would say that the punishment was cruel and unusual - although, as a CEO of a giant disk drive maker, he should know better than that without being told.

    How closely related can one attribute the company's dismal output to the discipline and the productivity of his employees? Is there not a possible tenable argument to be made that the mannagement and the employees may have been becoming less disciplined because the head honcho does not exhibit such traits himself.

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    PattyM

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    RE: Should Executives Be Politically Correct? Ask Seagate's Bill Watkins

    Ok, I want to work for someone like this. I would rather hear colorful language that tells it like it is. This encourages others to be open and not measure each syllable being uttered. I detest the silent method implied meeting room understanding. *yawn*

    I bet everyone working for this guy had a really clear idea of the mission and how they fit into the picture. Nothing worse than having to divine these things and not always get it right. Yay, Bill!

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    wej171

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    RE: Should Executives Be Politically Correct? Ask Seagate's Bill Watkins

    Colorful language in the boardroom is OK. In the media, it is not. With the business tanking, I suspect the board felt it necessary to make the change. The leaks of the pending restructuring and the colorful language likely had little bearing on the board's decision.

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    marybaum@...

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    RE: Should Executives Be Politically Correct? Ask Seagate's Bill Watkins

    First rule of corporate life: If you're going to be an
    asshat, you better make your numbers . . .

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