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When Will We Ever Learn?

December 18th, 2008 @ 11:45 am

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Categories: Best Practices, Economy, Executive Ethics, Finance, Management, Opinion

Tags: Financial, Loan, Jeffrey Pfeffer, Mortgages, Financial Accounting, Finance, Capital Structures

Brief flashback: In the early 1980s, Bob Beck joined Bank of America as the head of human resources.  The B of A was suffering from a lot of bad loans made to countries in Latin America.  The source of the problem was soon clear to Bob: Loan officers were compensated on the volume of loans they made — the more loans, the higher their compensation. They would take the money and, in some cases, leave the bank before the loans went bad. But in any event, their rewards were not contingent on making loans that would actually be repaid, just on the volume of loans they originated.

Fast forward to the present and we can see the same factors at work creating the present financial debacle in the mortgage market.  A colleague’s wife works for Fannie Mae — the large mortgage company that is a government-sponsored entity now in a form of conservatorship with the government backstopping the company. Fannie Mae, during the time it got into trouble by underwriting mortgages that would likely default and — believe it or not, even up this very moment — rewards people on the basis of the volume of loans they underwrite.  Just the other day this person complained that she had “wasted” three hours reviewing loans that she had to turn down. The time was wasted because no loans were made, and thus no progress was made on the path to earning bonuses.  Of course, taxpayers, now implicitly on the hook for Fannie’s problems, might take a different view and think that hours spent reviewing loans that shouldn’t be made was time very well spent.

It’s not just financial institutions that have reward systems that cause financial debacles. While I was writing a case on Fresh Choice, the salad buffet restaurant chain that went into bankruptcy, the CEO told me he was trying to clean up the mess created by a real estate executive who had signed lots of leases in geographically dispersed locations, many of which made no economic sense. The real estate executive, by that time gone from the company, had been compensated based on the number of leases/locations signed up.  So he had done what any rational person would do—signed as many deals as he could. Others would have to clean up the financial disaster that ensued from having restaurants in the wrong places.

There are many, many instances of financial incentives driving behavior that then causes organizations major problems. This fact raises the question of why no one ever seems to learn anything—which explains why the current situation with home mortgages looks remarkably like the case of making bad loans to countries that couldn’t repay them about 25 years ago and a little like the savings and loan mess of the late 1980s.

I can point to three key reasons why collectively we seem to learn nothing from past mistakes:

  1. Lack of focus on understanding failure. Go to a leading business school and find me the business historians.  Good luck.  Or, for that matter, the cases on failure.  We find history boring and are much more interested in successes—witness all the media attention to Google—than on learning from mistakes.
  2. Over-reliance on compensation as a management tool. Most people suffer from an “extrinsic incentives bias”—the belief that others are motivated by money even if we know we are not. For instance, Kaplan, the test preparation company, gave a survey to some people taking the LSAT.  While only 12% of those responding said they were interested in law school for the money, these same people thought that 60% of their fellow test-takers were. Coupled with the large compensation consulting industry and a belief held with almost religious fervor that properly designed incentive schemes are necessary to get the right behavior, most organizations overemphasize pay as an element in their management system.
  3. Omnipresent managerial hubris. Finally, there is the amazing resilience of managerial hubris—pride. Although executives obviously know many instances of how poorly designed reward systems produced behavior that caused other companies problems, they cling to the belief that such things won’t happen in their organizations because—they are smarter! Wrong again.

There’s an old saying in investigative reporting—follow the money.  Turns out that’s a pretty good clue to understanding lots about organizations and the troubles they encounter.  While pundits expound endlessly on how the current financial mess arose, the answers are, in virtually every case, quite simple.  People did what they were paid to do—make (bad) loans, take excessive risks, package and resell worthless paper, leverage up the balance sheet, and so forth.  Unless we get better at the seemingly simple task of predicting what reward systems are actually going to do, and unless we get smarter about designing rewards that don’t produce destructive behavior, the current bad news will just get recycled in the future.  That’s because we don’t seem to learn anything from experience.

Jeffrey Pfeffer is a professor of organizational behavior at Stanford’s Graduate School of Business and is the author or co-author of 12 books including “What Were They Thinking? Unconventional Wisdom About Management.”
 
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    Bouchart

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    RE: When Will We Ever Learn?

    This is easy to see in hindsight, but I don't see any solutions offered here (or elsewhere for that matter.)

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    jeffrey.s.davis

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    RE: When Will We Ever Learn?

    If it's so easy to see in hindsight, why are failed models and patterns so persistent over time? The potential solutions Pfeffer suggests are pretty self-evident aren't they? 1) Re-think compensation methods and formulas in various industries where they lead to bad business; 2) perhaps even more important, take a closer look at business failures for meaningful insights, and resist the temptation to merely copy or adopt the methods of "successful" organizations.

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    David.Mendelson@...

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    RE: When Will We Ever Learn?

    Bouchart, the solutions are pretty obvious once you acknowledge the mistake.

    A couple of incentive schemes which reward success rather than volume of bad decisions:

    a) Award shares in the company which may not be traded away for 'x' years (where 'x' depends on the time taken for consequences of the job to manifest).

    b) Have a staged incentives scheme, for example 10% of normal bonus awarded at time of signature, 40% after first year or two of no problems, 50% after whole deal is concluded (e.g. loan repaid).

    c) Pay people a reasonable salary to do their jobs and reward for actual, verified successes or extra dedication through promotions, a nice certificate, invitations to the executive golf day, time off and funding for professional development courses, etc.

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    julian.fenwick@...

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    RE: When Will We Ever Learn?

    The solutions seems easy, align employee goals with the business goals. But from a practical point of view this is not as easy as it seems.

    * Share plans have tax implications that may not be attractive to all staff

    * Different staff have different goals and motivators and may be at different stages of their career and personal life.

    * Business has to compete for top talent so ends up doing what their competitors are doing

    Unless you can build an attractive moral culture within your business that rises above individual monetary gain, your only hope is to keep reviewing compensation plans and their outcomes on a continual basis.

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    MMK616

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    RE: When Will We Ever Learn?

    B-R-A-V-O. WELL "SAID", and thank you for having the guts to say it. As a seriously frustred EX Co-Owner of a remodeling company who's 90% Partner refused to believe that I, a 35 year-old female- even with 18 years of experience, could possibly know what I was talking about!!! Surely, you must be joking!!!Compensate the Salesman on quality not quantity??? Dumbest thing he'd ever heard... I didn't have a bottle of aspirin big enough for the headaches and disgruntled clients and I took it too personally because I couldn't change it. So, I had no choice but to be the change I wished I saw in others. I did what only I could do without compromising my integrity. History does repeat itself. I took my 5' 2", 110 pound female frame right out of there. And finally, after nearly starving to death, found a position with another- WORSE than him! I showed him allright- rght out of the frying pan, and into a volcano! I foolishly believed that an ant CAN move a rubber tree plant, what I failed to realize is that these "trees" have no intention of changing direction... and it took this economy, and 2 years of "hurricanes" but not-so-natural disasters, before I was vindicated on the first one. Now what? That wasn't what I wanted at all and I'm right in it all over again with a toxic boss to boot! Calgon! Take me away! I would forward to my current Boss if the other article on toxic bosses didn't warn me not to do that until I had another job...

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    lenghm

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    RE: When Will We Ever Learn?

    I think people do not really care any more nowdays.
    Die, die lah...the "who cares attitude".

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    henryh68

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    RE: When Will We Ever Learn?

    MMK616 went from the frying pan into the volcano (her words) having gone from one toxic boss who wouldn't learn from the past to another even more toxic. I have a lot of empathy having found myself in similar situations on more than one occasion! What to do? Change is a difficult task even under the most supportive conditions, but that is just what is necessary. But significant change often requires facing difficult issues and resolving conflict and resistance, not fleeing. Sometimes being diplomatic is the worst thing one can do. Confronting counterproductive behavior requires courage, something that is in short supply in these tough economic times.

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    Jeffrey.Pfeffer

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    RE: When Will We Ever Learn?

    It is actually easy, with a little thought and with some help from colleagues, to predict what reward systems are likely to do. If you reward teachers for improving students' standardized test scores, and if you make the rewards large enough, the scores will go up--because there will be more cheating (see Steve Levitt's work on this). If you pay garbage truck crews for 8 hours no matter how long it takes them to complete their route, they will be fast--by speeding, not emptying their trucks often enough and driving overweight, and missing some pick-ups. I have found that people, if they are forced to think about it, can reasonably anticipate downsides to various reward schemes, and if pushed to think about it some more, can often come up with some creative "work-arounds."

    The problem is too little thinking and learning--which is why we are paying for the same mistakes, on a bigger scale, that were made in the past. We would not tolerate this medicine. We shouldn't tolerate it in organizational management, either.

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    Steve Miller

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    RE: When Will We Ever Learn?

    All else equal, of course we are motivated by money, and those who steer the ship of business more so than others. The question is, how do we better align compensation with value. This happens naturally in a free market economy. But our top heavy, government subsidized, consolidation happy economy is far from a free market. It has become a good-old boys club at the top and they are being compensated out of proportion to the value they bring to their businesses. When those who move piles of money around or who engage in "financial engineering" make magnitudes more money than those who innovate, create, teach, council, or heal, then we are in trouble. Reform is needed. Carl Icon and others have some great ideas. Compensation must be brought in line with value.

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    ROlcott

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    RE: When Will We Ever Learn?

    When Charles Hampden-Turner was going to Harvard for his MBA, he got "radicalized", and wrote the first Harvard MBA Treatise: "Radical Man: The Process of Psycho-social Development". It offers some amazing insights into motivating people, and organizational behavior in a variety of settings.

    While I appreciate Pfeffer's article, and concur with most of the findings, I think one dimension which Hampden-Turner addresses, is missing from Pfeffer's analysis. R. Olcott

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    harkul

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    RE: When Will We Ever Learn?

    I find it somewhat curious while reading these comments, none of them are actually "following the money". It all starts with an individual who "wants" to do it, goes out, takes loans and hires people - to get what he wants, the money. He is so overwhelming to most people, he makes them think he can save their little lives, by bringing riches to them. All you have to do is, work your buns off. Sell a lot, and you will make lots of money, be able to buy that house, etc.... And once you believe that bull.....you start working there and take out a loan to buy a house......then you are stuck. The funny, or perhaps a more sinister thing is, they all want you to get stuck. The government, your friends, colleagues, and so forth. Because for some reason, they think the above mentioned reality only happens to other people, not to them. Wake up folks. This time around, "do it the old fashioned way, and earn it". The trouble is, we need to crash this old system somehow. How much sense does it make that a house costs so much that your literally do sign your life away-for good-to buy it. Or so much that you cannot expect to pay it off during your lifetime? Give it some thought.

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    David Jebb

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    RE: When Will We Ever Learn?

    Accountability and personal responsibility no longer take persidence over commissions and bonuses that reward short sighted goals. There is no simple solution however if the "sales clerk" manning the register came up short at the end of the day was required to reach into their pocket to make up the difference perhaps companies would see more accountability and personal responsibility at day's end. A system that rewards long term successes versus short term profits just may be found in closer examination of historical failures of companies using such out dated business models.

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    Connorblum

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    RE: When Will We Ever Learn?

    Always insightful and rewarding to read, Jeffrey Pfeffer has succinctly stated a universal problem: If individuals are rewarded (or not punished) for doing what is not in the best interests of the group (corporation, society), enough of them will do it regardless of moral scruples that significant social harm will occur. (Littering is an example.) On a general level, this is the law of social dilemmas epitomized by the Tragedy of the Commons (see Garret Hardin).

    This is not 20/20 hindsight. Many knowledgeable people knew the subprime lending spree was unsustainable and some said so well in advance of the collapse. Others have been saying and writing for years that rewarding executives for short-term gains that are not part of a long-term strategy was and is a recipe for mischief and bad decisions.

    But like Cassandra, we have been condemned to speak the truth about what is to come while being ignored in the present. I suspect, sadly, that things will not change in this regard once the current debacle is behind us.

    Mike Palmer, President
    Ethics By Design
    Middlebury Vermont

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    Sunilhere

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    RE: When Will We Ever Learn?

    Good article!
    points:

    1. I thought 'Business management' was a study of the business history, which keeps updating. The reason we do not learn is because of our myopic vision.
    2.The 30: 70 rule does have a lot of in built disadvantages. 30% fixed salary and 70% variable. I am from India and I have spend good 20yrs in sales. we never use to have this huge variable componenets earlier. But unfortunately we have started copying the US. AND I do find sales people doing 'wrong sales' just to meet targets and earn the variables which stands anywhere between 40 to 50 %
    3. I agree with David Jebb's views.We need to re visit the incentive plan. And these inputs will come more from a hard core sales person rather than from the business schools.

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    Bruce Temkin

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    RE: When Will We Ever Learn?

    Simplifying the lack of corporate learning down to "following the money" is a valuable lens on the problem, but it's a bit oversimplified. In my blog (http://experiencematters.wordpress.com/), I've written about "The Six Rules Of Customer Experience." One of those rules is that employees do what is measured, incented, and celebrated. So while incentives are a key part of the story, I would not leave out the other components.

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    steveo@...

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    The Fannie Mae backstory

    The conventional wisdom about what happened at Fannie and Freddie is consistent with the article, and makes a good example of what the author is talking about, but there's a backstory to the Fannie/Freddie situation.

    A community organization group was working to pressure banks into making loans below their regular standards, and they were meeting with only limited success. They wanted to put minorities into homes. Banks said that they were limited in how far they could go because of lending standards by the buyers of mortgages.

    So, this community group took the political road. They asked Democrats to force Fannie and Freddie to buy substandard mortgages, and the complied. If Fannie Mae didn't go along, they threatened to pull their charter.

    My point is that Fannie and Freddie didn't buy bad mortgages by mistake through a misguided incentive program. It was the intention to buy bad mortgages all along. The incentives actually were aligned with management goals.

    It's the goals that were stupid.

    Fannie was buying all the toilet paper they could so that banks would have a place to resell their bad loans.

    (I don't mean to take anything away from the column but I thought this was an interesting aside. By the way, the name of the community organizaiton is ACORN.)

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    MarcoKelly

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    RE: When Will We Ever Learn?

    I thnk the system attracts the type of people who would take advantage of it. Maybe I am still naive enough to believe that there are good people out there who would not take advantage of a situation and put someone else at financial risk for their own personal gain, while still being realistic enough to know that there are people out there who would. So what attracts the honest, high-integrity individuals? A company that shares their values. If a company realigned their reward system with their corporate goals, as Julian Fenwick mentioned, it might not serve to be filled with the aggressive, sign-the-contract-at-all-costs types and therefore might not be as "successful" in the perceived sense, but would build a great repuation and in the long term probably be the leader in the race due to their focus on doing what is best for the client/customer, rather than what is best for the salesperson.
    But, it does start at the top. And sometimes the top can be populated by the aggressive individuals who are indifferent to the plight of their clients and customers and therefore implement systems of reward and consequence that unintentionally, but effectively produced the result that has so dramatically contributed to the current economic crisis.
    Learning from the past. Seeking out the sacred cows and making hamburger. Sometimes the process is in knowing where to look and some areas can be omitted in the search. Perhaps this blog and ensuing dialogue can contribute to a focus on an area previoulsy omitted and begin a new direction towards a healthier economy with greater stamina.

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    pcardullo

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    RE: When Will We Ever Learn?

    We are naive if we think that loan executives did not precisely know that the incentive system was flawed and easy to "work". Compensation is so high at executive levels that even a short stint working the flawed system leaves executives very wealthy.

    These same executives enjoy the flawed system which rewards volume over discernment...even if short-term.

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    Sales Comp Guy

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    RE: When Will We Ever Learn?

    I feel the author attributes much broader, more philosophical reasons for outcomes that are basically the result of bad management. Too many companies rush through compensation design like it is just another project. They rely on the experience (or more commonly) the inexperience of current management (and/or HR) to create compensation plans to motivate behavior. Unfortunately, those folks too often do not have the training, process or experience to do it right. That is particularly true in the case of sales compensation plans.
    While the three reasons he cites do come into play, the primary reason is naivete. Those designing the compensation plans (be they HR or sales management) either do not understand the needs of the business or they do not understand how incentive compensation is best used. In the interest of simplicity or speed, they create compensation plans that do not align with the long term goals of the organization.
    It is particularly difficult to format a plan and set plan breakpoints for sales positions. Copying a plan design used by another company is a sure recipe for failure as companies are never the same. At a minimum, their systems are different, their growth stage is different, and their markets are different. It is an area that requires experience (and a proven process) to do it right, and most organizations do not have that expertise.
    Unfortunately, they seldom ask for outside help, and their performance suffers accordingly.
    The resulting design perpetuates itself over time as companies are very reluctant to change and are very sensitive to disturbing their sales force. Even when they know a plan should be adjusted, they fail to do so in a timely manner. It resembles running your business without having it audited regularly. Sooner or later, it gets out of whack but there is noone to bring its faults to your attention.

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    eclectos

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    RE: When Will We Ever Learn?

    The true core of the problem is that the CEOs are compensated on volume. Until that changes, they will continue to create systems that compensate their workers for doing the same. It's not only the salesmen who leave or at least are paid before the bad loans hit. We keep hearing stories of CEOs collecting tens of millions in bonuses for "business" and keep them after it all goes sour.

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    ROlcott

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    RE: When Will We Ever Learn?

    Sunilhere noted "myopic vision" which Hampden-Turner describes "..perception is narrow and impoverished; identity is locked in and stagnant";
    Marco Kelley notes "...populated by individuals at the top who are indifferent.." which Hampden-Turner addresses in citing:
    "The Children in Appalachia and Mississippi have been starving for centuries, but only recently have we chosen to see them" (?myopic vision?)
    Lenghm finds a lack of caring which Hampden-Turner cites Fitzgerald: "the test of a first rate intelligence is the ability to hold two conflicting views at the same time and still function, ie one may see that things are hopeless and yet be determined to make them otherwise".

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    bevisj

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    RE: When Will We Ever Learn?

    I just hope some of our members of Congress are reading this. Now that "We the People" have a vested interest in Banking, Insurance and Automotive industries, they have the power and/or influence to MAKE SOMETHING HAPPEN.

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    john.decoville@...

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    When will we ever learn? - Perhaps never,until we know how to manage Greed!

    Improper compensation described here was allowed by the management because they theirselves were greedy rather than taking delight in running a company well or providing value they wanted enormous and unsustainable wealth.



    BNEY - stop being apologists for Corporate America!!! Many deep and systematic and seemingly hostile reforms have to be done - to the Corporation model - that is... or ... Greed-explosions such as preceeded the Great Crashes of 1929 and 2008 will continue to occur.



    --John deCoville

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    john.decoville@...

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    Jeffrey: You just don't GET IT! Please read!

    1. Separate Management from Ownership so
    Boards of Trustees really represent the
    Ownership and management has to go hand-
    in-hand to get approval of capitalization
    of projects.



    Management teams have, in some cases
    become parasitic roving bands of
    barbarians raping and pillaging one
    company after another and giving themselves
    fat bonuses (remember the movie

    "Independence Day" ??????????) and

    "golden-parachutes."



    2. Outlaw Bonuses when the company is NOT
    making money!!! (Duh?)



    3. Increase protection for Whistle-blowers!!!




    4. Remove some of the privileges of being
    a "Corporation" It is NOT a "person"
    and does NOT have a conscience. Money
    does not equal free-speech, so do
    everything possible to reduce
    Corporate influence in politics.



    5. Sit down now, are you sitting down?
    Repeal the 1947 Taft-Hartley act.
    Unions DO provide a counter-weight to
    large enterprises. But Unions need to
    be regulated to just as corporations
    do.



    6. Do EVERYTHING possible as French President
    Nicolas Sarkozy recommends helping enter-
    prises be Sustainable but not hide
    -bound.



    7. Help empower Vendors so they have a
    counter-balance. Corporate-vendor
    relationships are the most adversarial
    point and a true judge of the company
    president's character -- even more than
    company to employee or company to
    client relationships.




    Thank you,


    John

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    Coach-Lee-428

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    RE: When Will We Ever Learn?

    May I add a fourth reason - the lack of personal integrity and responsibility. These individuals knew what they were doing was wrong, but justified it by their rewards. The wink and the nod behavior has become so prevalent that so few individuals demonstrate high ethics and values. The debacle in the financial industry is far more about a lack of ethics than anything else. When a society removes judgment and attempt to create a mentality where everyone can everything without personal integrity and responsibility, the results should not surprise anyone. Leanne Hoagland Smith

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    clarkm

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    RE: When Will We Ever Learn?

    It's not always just about money. Overemphasis on specific metrics rather than desired outcome, regardless of your measurement/reward program, will provide unwanted results. I once worked with a small but global, single owner company that had very simple metrics; "Do the right thing, do what's right for the customer, what's right for the company, what's right for you". There were certain unwritten but very well understood parameters that guided everyone's decisions. You could make a mistake on an issue once, expecially if you could defend your position, but repeat offenses were not tolerated. You had freedom to do your job and make decisions but within certain expectations.

    The percieved problem with this approach is obviously the human element. Businesses today want well defined commercial processes, just as they do in manufacturing with the intent to reduce or eliminate the human variable. But it also devalues the individual.

    I believe that the commercial process can not be as rigid as a manufacturing process. The business process is more fluid and dynamic and needs to be flexible while still meeting the tight regulatory requirements. Every deal is like a one-off custom product. The basic elements don't change but the details may vary greatly. It takes decision makers, not commercial operators. Too many positions in companies are being treated as plug-n-play or dominated by the belief that if you give a person enough rope they'll hang themselves. I've heard managers in other businesses actually say they view their people like their children. So you end up with bad incentives. Bonuses for doing, not thinking. We're supposed to leave the thinking to the genius' who came up with the flawed incentive program in the first place.

    Much of this issue could be dealt with more effectively through improved hiring and retention practices and real training programs. To tie this in with an earlier subject on this website, Branding; isn't this, your employees, where your branding truly starts? Invest in your people and you won't need stupid measurements and incentives or branding exercises.

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    DerekIrvine

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    RE: When Will We Ever Learn?

    Excellent post, Jeffrey. Your colleague, Hayagreeva Rao, at Stanford???s Graduate School of Business recently completed a business case with David Hoyt on how Intuit does recognition and rewards right: (http://www.globoforce.com/corporate/eng/our-customers/case-studies/intuit.html?KeepThis=true&TB_iframe=true&height=400&width=600).

    You're absolutely correct that compensation and rewards are completely out of whack. Relying on cash-based bonuses are another lesson we still haven't learned.

    People Management magazine recently asked: ???Are Bonuses to Blame for Banking???s Downward Spiral???? The article quotes the CIPD advisor Charles Cotton: ???Bonuses have become a recruitment and retention tool rather than a reward for good performance. There are so many corporate governance issues around permanent salaries that the only ???wriggle room??? has been bonuses. That???s why in recent times there have been sums that have been seen as excessive, and the phenomenon of people asking for guaranteed bonuses ??? degrading the principle of paying for performance.???

    The International Financing Review recently published a report, ???Strategic Risk and Reward,??? which was also cited in the article: ???Goldman Sachs has gone further than other investment banks in developing a multi- imensional reward strategy and in emphasising loyalty through its culture, which might explain its relative resilience compared with rivals Lehman Brothers and Merrill Lynch.???

    Cash bonuses and rewards have been the downfall of many recognition programs, and yet many companies continue to rely on them.

    Not only has research shown that a ???thank you??? has more impact in driving results, but the promise of a bigger bonus in eight of nine tasks actually significantly decreased performance.

    What does work? As the Strategic Risk and Reward report found: emphasise loyalty through culture. Use recognition tools that thank the employee for his or her efforts while also explaining why that exceptional effort was of importance to the company achieving a strategic goal -- especially when times are challenging.

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    jboyd@...

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    RE: When Will We Ever Learn?

    To paraphrase Tom Peters, I am finding it hard to see how Prof. Pfeffer can make this seem so difficult. The answer does not require any 20-20 hindsight or even special intuition. The rule remains absolute and non-debatable: You will always get the behavior you incentivize. The key is to correctly determine what behavior you want. A rational business person will want ethical, moral, trustworthy, client-centered behavior because that will always produce a profitable return. Incent the correct behavior and everyone wins. End of discussion.

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    fivestarman

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    RE: When Will We Ever Learn?

    What is missing here is that our financial system is flawed with a dependence on consumer spending.

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    RobSab

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    RE: When Will We Ever Learn?

    Sales remuneration schemes are tricky to define:

    1. they can be simple and keep the sales staff focused on a specific goal that is important for the company, BUT the control measures have to be in place to ensure risk management and profitability. These system work well.

    2. they can be complicated with multiple variables and controls - this usually takes the focus away from what the goal is and leaves the sales staff with a tool that they find unpredictable and very abstract so they loose motivation

    In my opinion the risk evaluation is the problem here and its position in the sales process and not the bonus system for the sales staff..... who (the sales staff) at the end of the day do get the approval of risk evaluation prior to signing contracts.

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    peterahunter

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    RE: When Will We Ever Learn?

    I have never seen an incentive or pay scheme that had anything except
    a destructive effect on performance.


    Whatever was driving performance in the past goes straight out of the
    window when an incentive scheme is introduced.


    The workforce become entirely focussed on achieving their bonus to
    the utter disregard of all other considerations, customer
    satisfaction, quality etc.


    The worst thing is that although incentive schemes are designed to
    increase performance by offering the incentive, in most cases the
    workforce can figure out how to achieve their bonus without changing
    their behaviour one jot.

    The way to change performance is to change the way that the workforce
    feel about what they do, in most cases the person who has the ability
    to do that is the manager.

    Unfortunately most managers do not understand this and fewer still
    realise that it is their behaviour that is preventing their workforce
    from performing.


    One example of this is the pay and incentive schemes that managers
    implement.
    They believe that by implementing these schemes they are having a
    positive impact on performance while in actual fact the effect is the
    exact opposite.

    To create a sustained improvement we have to allow the workforce to
    care about what they do.
    When that happens their performance becomes amazing and any
    suggestion that their performance is the result of an incentive
    scheme will be treated by them as an affront.

    This view is the result of our practical experience supported by the
    writings of the most respected gurus in the business.

    John Seddon, Author of "Freedom from Command and Control" Said;
    Incentives are commonly used to motivate sales forces. In every case
    I know where the incentive scheme has been scrapped and replaced by
    salaries the result has been improvements in cooperation between
    sales people, better customer service as a result and best of all
    improved sales.

    W Edwards Deming said,
    To release the power of the human resource we have to release the
    power that the workforce were born with, ignore the extrinsic
    motivators (Incentives), and instead nurture the intrinsic values of
    the workforce.


    And "If management sets quantitative targets and makes people's jobs
    depend on them - they will meet the targets - even if they have to
    destroy the enterprise to do it"

    "When You Instil Into A Workforce The Reason To Do Things Based On
    External Rewards They Learn To 'Work' Only When They Can See A Direct
    And Tangible Reward" Judith Germain FCIPD, MCMI

    "There is no contest between the company that buys the grudging
    compliance of its work force (with Incentives) and the company that
    enjoys the enterprising participation of its employees." Ricardo
    Semler




    Peter A Hunter
    www.breakingthemould.co.uk

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    layzelld

    12/20/08 | Report as spam

    RE: When Will We Ever Learn?

    so why does "Good Capitalism" if there is such a thing step in and protect its own interests.

    Where there is no self control or regulation there will in the end be imposed control and regulation

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    Pankaj Kapoor

    12/21/08 | Report as spam

    RE: When Will We Ever Learn?

    While I agree with Jeffrey on most points, he has not given any solution to the problem.We still need incentives to motivate our Team and Performance. Can we not properly Define the Performance and incentivise it? The problem looks as if the Performance which is beiing has not been defined properly. Also, what about the monitoring system? That is also Performance for the supervisor.Supervisor needs to be incentivised on the basis of Quality of work of the subordinates. In case of sub-prime isn't it important to have loans which are only Quality Loans.Any bad loan must be recovered(a major portion of that)from the Front line officer and his Supervisor. Ultimately it is the Quality loan which needs to be given and not any risky loan.The job of the Agent/ Officer is to ensure that he recommends only Quality Loans and the job of the Supervisor who is approving and disbursing the loan is to see the loan was a Quality Loan.
    However in order to ensure the assessment it does not mean that people become defensive and slow in disbursing the loans, hence speed of disbursing the good quality loan should be incentivised.
    I firmly believe that if we can Define the Performance correctly and if we Set the Monitoring System correctly then Incentives are desirable and should be used to motivate peopel to give their best.

    Pankaj Kapoor
    Managing Director
    Harrisons Malayalam Ltd.
    Kochi, India

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    marc bishop

    12/22/08 | Report as spam

    RE: When Will We Ever Learn?

    As the owner of one of those Companies referred to within the large consultancy industry I have some sympathy with what is covered in this article. However it is too simple to blame the reward mechanisms! The truth lies much deeper in the culture of City organisations, shareholder demands and society as a whole to earn as much & as quickly as it can.

    To summarise:

    Without a doubt Reward systems drive behaviour. If they didn't people like me would not be in a job. However the context and measures in which they are used are always more important than the reward mechanism itself!

    In reality the best sales reward systems drive both volume & value. There is not point incentivising the sell of a product that has no profit, or indeed can lead to a loss.

    The smart banks ensure that value is measured in terms of loss/risk potential as well. If there is a chance that selling a product may result in a loss, then it should not be sold. This is not difficult to establish as so much data is held upon the financial status of customers, it is just a case of linking it all together.

    But not withstanding the simple reward system issues, the bigger society issues are these:

    We have operated in a society where short term success was the only measure. From CEO's down to front line staff owners of companies (shareholders) and analysts are only happy with what is being delieverd today or tomorrow. Next year or in 3 years time does not count! If this is the basis of the measurment of success it is hardly surprising that the reward mechanisms developed have no long term time horizons!

    Some might argue that Exec share arrangements offer that long term time horizon, but again with very few exceptions they were operated on an annual basis, i.e. what our EPS this year against our competitors & what short term measure can I take to increase our relative performance?

    To change all this we have to create a business context where people are given time to perform and are not measured on their relative short term success against their competitors. If we have this context then the reward systems will be developed by People like me to reflect this context.

    Marc Bishop
    Director
    Rewarding Performing People Ltd
    www.RPPLTD.Co.UK

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    HaslKelchner

    12/22/08 | Report as spam

    RE: When Will We Ever Learn?

    We learn when we're ready to learn. I think you're 3rd point about hubris should really be #1. It contibutes to decision making blind spots such as over confidence (i.e. those loans are really good, they'll find a way to pay) and other decision making biases such as loss aversion.

    We all like to win and research shows we hate to lose more than we like to win. As a result, it takes incredibly strong leadership to challenge "success" once the dollars start rolling in, to challenge the sustainability of the business practice generating the cash, its ethics, and its legality.

    You are right, the focus on failure isn't with the business historian. It's with the lawyers. Every business lawsuit represents some type of business failure. It's with the legislators. Every new piece of legislation represents a business failure requiring government intervention.

    Wasn't it Drucker who said that good leaders fix problems, and great leaders anticipate them?

    Perhaps the managers looking to make the leap from good to great need to be more forward thinking, to anticpate the consequences of the incentive systems they create.

    Hanna Hasl-Kelchner
    www.legalliteracy.com
    author, The Business Guide to Legal Literacy: What Every Manager Should Know About the Law (Jossey-Bass, 2006)

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    Sylvia Lafair

    12/23/08 | Report as spam

    RE: When Will We Ever Learn?

    Take a look at the repetitive patterns that have been key in forming our present economic problems??? the role of financial incentives.

    When bonuses are based on the quantity of bottom line numbers it is inevitable that employees will rush to the finish line with the most signed contracts, billable hours, or over the top sales, whether they make sense or not. We are stuck in the pattern of ???more is better??? that began with the industrial revolution and still colors our economic landscape.

    So the question arises, ???How did we come to the conclusion that more is better???? This has been an overarching theme of our production/consumption society. We have become, first consumers and secondly citizens. Even after September 11, President Bush asked us to cooperate by getting out there and buying more. This line of thinking may have made sense as we learned to develop machines of mass production and invest in new and helpful technologies. However, if we are rewarded for our work efforts mainly by how many mortgages are signed, how many consulting hours are contracted, or how many students aced the standardized tests in school, we will continue down this path of no return.

    If we look to nature we can clearly see the dead end of ???more is better??? thinking. At some point ???more??? becomes toxic. Even too much oxygen, which is vital to our very existence, will lead to brain damage.

    The amazing success of industrialization and technology has brought us to a crossroads in meaning and values that, if left unanswered, will keep us locked in old, outmoded ways of thinking. Hopefully we have come to a time where enough of us are ready to become pattern aware by asking the question of ???How did this happen again???? and start dialogues in schools, communities, and in our workplaces to define the real meaning of work for the 21st century.

    Sylvia Lafair, Ph.D.
    President of CEO (Creative Energy Options, Inc.)
    www.ceoptions.com
    author, "Don't Bring It to Work: Breaking the Family Patterns that Limit Success"
    Being Published by Jossey-Bass (March 2009)

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    ASchm

    12/29/08 | Report as spam

    RE: When Will We Ever Learn?

    There are a number of posts that state the need for
    integrity, honesty, less greed and the sense of 'what's
    mine is mine and what's yours is mine" entitlement.
    Doesn't that set of values have to be ingrained long
    before the person is of age to become CEO, CIO, CFO?
    I think it's called taking responsibility for ones actions
    and being mature.
    Is this the standard operating model we are displaying
    to those people who look up to us for some basic
    guidance?

    I know, pretty wild and outlandish concepts here....

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    miccau

    01/10/09 | Report as spam

    RE: When Will We Ever Learn?

    Wow! Great discussion. Coach-Lee428, clarkm, jboyd and ASchm (and others) correctly see that the problem is the people.

    It is not the money itself but the message it creates. Money is a communication tool and like any other form of communication, is subject to interpretation and misunderstanding.

    It is simple ??? as jboyd points out so emphatically: ???You will always get the behavior you incentivize. The key is to correctly determine what behavior you want.??? This could be paraphrased as you will always get the behavior you ask for.

    But, as we all know, even with words we do not always get the behavior we ask for. Why else would we have countless books on how to effectively communicate? When you try and communicate with code (money) instead of words, the problem becomes even greater. And many organizations have the bad habit of saying one thing and apparently meaning another.

    To keep it short - It is always about clarity in communication and personal integrity. And perhaps we will learn when we stop valuing 'clever' and start rewarding 'smart'.

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    Dan Boos Top 100 Change Consultant

    01/30/09 | Report as spam

    RE: When Will We Ever Learn?

    The government bailout of the banks is akin to the hapless pig farmer who offered grease to the pig he couldn't catch with the hope that the pig wouldn't use it to continue running a muck.

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    john.caddell@...

    02/07/09 | Report as spam

    RE: When Will We Ever Learn?

    I enjoyed this post. Learning from mistakes and failure is truly an underutilized asset. Another place where we don't learn enough is in using the data from failed experiments. This should be made available to other researchers in case it might shed light on questions not part of the original hypothesis.

    Some of us have started a site called The Mistake Bank (http://mistakebank.com) as a way for people to record their mistake/failure stories and allow others to learn from them.

    On The Mistake Bank, you don't say, "This project failed because my boss is a jerk"--even though there might be a lot of truth to that statement. Instead, you say, "Here's what I did that contributed to the result. If I were in that same situation again, I do these things differently."

    It's fun to review these (and to contribute, by the way). I'd invite all the readers of this post to check out the site and join if they find it interesting or useful.

    regards, John

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    Jcheco

    04/08/09 | Report as spam

    RE: When Will We Ever Learn?

    We will learn when we realize that incentive pay is not the answer to motivation, at least does not promote the right values. When we do incentive we are telling people that if I don't give you this carrot you wont move, is a cheap and lazy management technique. I do not remember the author now that said, "beware of incentives, you may get what you want", in this case a lot of loans, what else!!!

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